Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

Dav said:

Sorry Catz, but when I read this all I can think of is the old people of the 60s who thought that rock and roll and premarital sex would destroy society. Yeah, the kids of the 60s and 70s didn't have a direct comparison to an earlier time. But that doesn't mean that they were wrong.

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*sigh* You should stop talking now.

FilmFestGuy said:

And further proof that people don't know how to use information or terminology.

Last time I heard, no one was forced to download an Ipad application - especially those who don't have an Ipad, Ipod, or Iphone. Which was be the vast majority of Americans.

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You're so wrong. The white house has developed a technology in their app that is able to scrutinize people's wallets for imbedded gigabyte strips in $20 bills and ascertain that they underpaid on their taxes. I heard in an e-mail from my mother in law that downloading that app will lead to an IRS audit.

Dav said:

Sorry Catz, but when I read this all I can think of is the old people of the 60s who thought that rock and roll and premarital sex would destroy society. Yeah, the kids of the 60s and 70s didn't have a direct comparison to an earlier time. But that doesn't mean that they were wrong.

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There's a bit of an old man vibe from the critique of the XBox and Playstation. But I don't think that distracts from the point that he made which was valid. Listen, I don't really agree with Obama, if I'm going to say that he has a point it's because he has a valid point. And I do think it's harder now than in the past and a lot of that has more to do with our resolve to do our duty, to make sure we're knowledgeable, to keep up on government affairs than it does with any gaming platform. But in an age where information is at the tips of our fingers, where we can find out just about anything, there's even less excuse for this type of behavior. Instead, we're so caught up in the entertainment that we've made everything a little show. It's not time to stop, before it's too late.

Catz Part Deux said:

You're so wrong. The white house has developed a technology in their app that is able to scrutinize people's wallets for imbedded gigabyte strips in $20 bills and ascertain that they underpaid on their taxes. I heard in an e-mail from my mother in law that downloading that app will lead to an IRS audit.

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What if you don't have an IPad? Apple sucks and I won't buy their ****.

Ikari said:

What if you don't have an IPad? Apple sucks and I won't buy their ****.

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The Messiah has made arrangements to co-opt the Droid and the Sony Zune. Why do you think that these corporations are getting massive federal handouts to promote these devices?

It's all a way of controlling us, Ikari. Be afraid. Be very afraid. These are "Orwellian" days we are living in.

Catz Part Deux said:

The Messiah has made arrangements to co-opt the Droid and the Sony Zune. Why do you think that these corporations are getting massive federal handouts to promote these devices?

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Is it a sign that I'm behind the times cause I ain't got any of that. Damn, I'm like living in the middle ages over here, what with just me and my Pandora.

Catz Part Deux said:

You're so wrong. The white house has developed a technology in their app that is able to scrutinize people's wallets for imbedded gigabyte strips in $20 bills and ascertain that they underpaid on their taxes. I heard in an e-mail from my mother in law that downloading that app will lead to an IRS audit.

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You know, after I typed my previous message, a guy in a brown uniform marched me down to the Apple store and made me buy one!

What's this society coming to!?!?!?

Ikari said:

What if you don't have an IPad? Apple sucks and I won't buy their ****.

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:lol:
:rofl Yes, because everyone just loves crashes, and viruses that kill their comps...I have three Mac's and an I Book. I am willing to bet that I have fewer problems with my comp than any average PC user here. :doh


j-mac

FilmFestGuy said:

You know, after I typed my previous message, a guy in a brown uniform marched me down to the Apple store and made me buy one!

What's this society coming to!?!?!?

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He forcibly inserted a jack into your spinal column, too, didn't he? Don't be ashamed. This is a safe place. We've all been abused by the gummint here.

j-mac said:

:lol:
:rofl Yes, because everyone just loves crashes, and viruses that kill their comps...I have three Mac's and an I Book. I am willing to bet that I have fewer problems with my comp than any average PC user here. :doh


j-mac

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You've opened yourself up to so much federal thought-control it makes me afraid for you, J-mac. Your views on any subject can no longer be trusted because you've been trifled with, intellectually, by Apple.

Ikari said:

Is it a sign that I'm behind the times cause I ain't got any of that. Damn, I'm like living in the middle ages over here, what with just me and my Pandora.

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You may be like the remnant after the V are finished with the herd.

Don't get any flu shots. I hear they put nano-bots into them that can activate additional apps on your ipod that will feed mind-altering information directly into your brain under the cover of a Lady GaGa song.

j-mac said:

:lol:
:rofl Yes, because everyone just loves crashes, and viruses that kill their comps...I have three Mac's and an I Book. I am willing to bet that I have fewer problems with my comp than any average PC user here. :doh


j-mac

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Yeah, because no one writes viruses for it. Apple....no one cares. The only thing Apple can accomplish is to be more expensive than a comparable PC. I've had my PC for over 5 years, thing runs fine. But I wanna get a new PC so I can get Windows 7.

Plus Mac can't run **** for games.

Ikari said:

Yeah, because no one writes viruses for it. Apple....no one cares. The only thing Apple can accomplish is to be more expensive than a comparable PC. I've had my PC for over 5 years, thing runs fine. But I wanna get a new PC so I can get Windows 7.

Plus Mac can't run **** for games.

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:2rofll: games? Most adults have broader concerns than what is the latest game they can play.....:roll: Also take a close look at Windows 7, a complete rip off of Mac OS. Gee, wonder why they would do that since Apple sucks so.....:rofl


Happy trails with the inferior....:2wave::fueltofir


j-mac

Catz Part Deux said:

*sigh* You should stop talking now.

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Kay, but I'm still right. The opening up of information via new technology is possibly the greatest thing to ever happen to us as a species. At least since the printing press.

Ikari said:

There's a bit of an old man vibe from the critique of the XBox and Playstation. But I don't think that distracts from the point that he made which was valid. Listen, I don't really agree with Obama, if I'm going to say that he has a point it's because he has a valid point. And I do think it's harder now than in the past and a lot of that has more to do with our resolve to do our duty, to make sure we're knowledgeable, to keep up on government affairs than it does with any gaming platform. But in an age where information is at the tips of our fingers, where we can find out just about anything, there's even less excuse for this type of behavior. Instead, we're so caught up in the entertainment that we've made everything a little show. It's not time to stop, before it's too late.

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Well, for one thing, people who don't pay attention to politics tend to not vote, which I have nothing against, so I don't really see it as much of a "duty".

Now, for voters, being informed could probably be described as a duty. But I don't think it's gotten harder to keep up with this duty; in fact, the opposite. Information is so much easier to access now than before, being informed on who and what is on the ballot has never been easier. Beyond that even, every little fact that might be interesting needs only to be discovered by one person before it is spread throughout the entire blogosphere; before, that one person would likely end up being the only one who knew. New technology has facilitated the spread not of untruth, but primarily, of truth. Untruth spreads just as fast, yes, but as soon as it is discredited, the truth will spread via the same means and reverse the untruth.

A lot of what you and Obama are saying seems to be about people confusing fact with opinion, which is partially true, but misses the point, which is that almost all information comes through a filter, and no filter is inherently better than the other. It used to be that our filters were basically selected for us; now it is much less controlled. This means that some people will end up listening to Glenn Beck or going to Democratic Underground as their filters. But those people freely made that decision given the vast amount of options available to them. This would suggest that the problem lies not with either Beck or Underground, but with the people who chose to trust them. Such people would have to be the same level of crazy as both of those to make such a decision in the first place. With a whole realm of options available, and with each one under unprecedented scrutiny given the pace that the discovery of any disinformation on their part can now spread, society can now do as the free market does and filter out the filters such that the most reliable end up with the most prestige.

Frankly, all information presented via a filter - most information - should be seen as what it is: one perspective, where more than one perspective is necessary to really know what you're talking about. With more perspectives more easily available now, finding multiple perspectives is much easier to do than it was before.

Dav said:

Kay, but I'm still right. The opening up of information via new technology is possibly the greatest thing to ever happen to us as a species. At least since the printing press.

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No one is f'ing disputing that. But didn't spiderman teach you that with great power comes great responsibility?

Oh wait. You were probably busy drooling over bulbosaur.

j-mac said:

:2rofll: games? Most adults have broader concerns than what is the latest game they can play.....:roll: Also take a close look at Windows 7, a complete rip off of Mac OS. Gee, wonder why they would do that since Apple sucks so.....:rofl


Happy trails with the inferior....:2wave::fueltofir


j-mac

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For less money I can get a much much better computer than a Mac. PCs are easier to mess with, add hardware to, run better applications, runs games better. Most "adults" may have broader concerns, but you've hit the head on the nail there. Mac users are LaTex. By that I mean, condescending, snide jerks. And you've shown it beautifully.

I play games, I need something with processing power to spare. That's not a Mac. I've built my last 2 PCs and they've been better than any Mac out on the market at the time and half the price. So maybe I guess "adults" also like to pay more money for equivalent tech. HAHAHAHAHA

Mac users are stuck up, smarmy suckers.

Catz Part Deux said:

No one is f'ing disputing that.

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Hatuey was.

But didn't spiderman teach you that with great power comes great responsibility?

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Not really applicable. The responsibility is the same as it was before; the power is, partially, the ability to carry it out.

Oh wait. You were probably busy drooling over bulbosaur.

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I should really start setting timers to see how long it takes for my discussions to become about pokemon.

Dav said:

I should really start setting timers to see how long it takes for my discussions to become about pokemon.

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its like godwins law, but squeakier.

Dav's Law: the longer any discussion involving Dav continues, the more likely it is that his pokemon fetish will be mentioned.

j-mac said:

Also take a close look at Windows 7, a complete rip off of Mac OS.

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To its detriment! With each "easier to use" version of windows/office that comes out, I find it takes me that much longer to perform simple tasks. I wish they'd stop dumbing down their software.

Catz Part Deux said:

You may be like the remnant after the V are finished with the herd.

Don't get any flu shots. I hear they put nano-bots into them that can activate additional apps on your ipod that will feed mind-altering information directly into your brain under the cover of a Lady GaGa song.

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And, by the way, Lady Gaga is a man.

But Ann Coulter - she's all woman!

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How anybody can twist what he said in to a negative is beyond me LMAO Its totally absurd. I was listening to rush and beck and hannity and Quinn & rose today like I do most days and it was hilarious hearing them spin this and bash this. Hard to believe lol but people can convince themselves of anything no matter the lack of logic or proof.

Oh well
at least O Reilly agreed with him, at least one of the propagandist decided not to spin it. Does matter though no matter how much they spin ill keep listening cause its great comedy and entertainment.

I also a think a general point can be had by mentioning that while we have things like the Kindle, Project Gutenberg, Librivox, and so forth, there has not been too much emphasis of using it in comparison with youtube videos of people scratching their asses while in Walmart.

Incredible technology exists, and has been implemented decently enough, but the public at large hasn't exactly used it to further their education or knowledge base correctly.

Not saying that the newspaper industry has not seen a damage in business thanks to the nascent internet news phenomenon (I can personally vouch for its impact with family who are in that business), but it is not at the level a number of us probably desired.

TheHat said:

No, it is very relevant, b/c the only reason he is saying this, is b/c he doesn't like them critcizing him.

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No, that's nothing but YOUR interpretation.

What he said really, is basic knowledge. But whatever.

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Which he used to make a point.

CaptainCourtesy said:

Which he used to make a point.

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Yeah, a dumb one, since he turned right around and used a WH blog to promote the SCOTUS pick like it was a real news story.....Pure propaganda.


j-mac

CaptainCourtesy said:

You are not listening. It's irrelevant as to whether or not the media has turned on him or not. His point is valid. A critical analysis of information is key when there is so much information out there.

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I'd have to say that both sides are right on this one. I think some of what Mr.Obama had to say is relevant and valid and some of it was nakedly self serving, and a bit dishonest, given some of the experiences he refers to going through. Meaning the ones he would like us to think about as versus the ones he would rather we not think about. Van Jones comes to mind.

He most certainly knows how to operate these newfangled technologies, he has one seriously tricked out Blackberry he is said not to be able to do without!

Seriously speaking, if this guy can't operate an X-Box or Ipod we are all agreeably (I would think) in serious trouble. :doh