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Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

I see you edited your personal attack response to me to give us another example of you abusing your mod powers.

I never once said you had NPD so there was no personal attack nor did I ever mention you by name once..

Editing out your attack against me and putting in the "Warning" instead is Classic CC.

Thanks for staying predictable.

Hilarious.

CC is truly an under-educated idiot with a mental problem. No doubt.

He thinks he "shreds" people when everyone knows he's just a mental-problem ridden fool.

Dude's an utter idiot and I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.
 
AFP: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

I.E. They cannot control the media. They cannot control the spin.

Does the meaning go right over your head because you just don't understand what he's saying or because you just don't want to??

Let me help you out:

He wasn't talking about the devices themselves, but the information that people access with those devices.... instant information has little value. The information is not always reliable and usually lacks a bigger picture context.

I.E. instant information falls short when it doesn't undergo traditional fact-checking, contains mostly opinion (editorial), and lacks journalistic objectivity and context.

People like to be constantly reminded that the world is the way they like to think it is.
 
Hilarious.

CC is truly an under-educated idiot with a mental problem. No doubt.

He thinks he "shreds" people when everyone knows he's just a mental-problem ridden fool.

Dude's an utter idiot and I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.

Go away Bron.
 
Didn't you learn this stuff in school?

Bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fact checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Fact-checking involves researching original sources when possible to determine that the material was used accurately and presented in context. In publishing terms, it means verifying quotes with sources. In user terms, it means reading multiple sources of data and checking footnotes/endnotes listed in the article.

Source bias means determining how data was collected, whether the methodology was scientific, and whether the data is presented accurately, without being tainted by an individual's opinions.

These days, most American newspapers don't employ fact-checkers anymore, which means users need to exercise caution.

All of which makes it pretty helpful to be able to check multiple sources of media for information and entertainment. Thank goodness we live in a modern information age where we have ready access to so many different information outlets.
 
Go away Bron.

No. I like ridiculing CC and his stupidity.

Anyone who thinks he has the IQ of a playtpus is a sheep.

Dude's a wackjob therapist with a slew of mental problems who thinks hes Harvardesque when he graduated from Ol State U or worse.


Fu*k him.
 
Does the meaning go right over your head because you just don't understand what he's saying or because you just don't want to??

Let me help you out:

He wasn't talking about the devices themselves, but the information that people access with those devices.... instant information has little value. The information is not always reliable and usually lacks a bigger picture context.

I.E. instant information falls short when it doesn't undergo traditional fact-checking, contains mostly opinion (editorial), and lacks journalistic objectivity and context.

People like to be constantly reminded that the world is the way they like to think it is.

Are you suggesting that isnt the case with ALL of the mainstream media these days?

I would dearly love to find a truly unbiased media source...one that without judgement or predetermined bias examines all sides and presents info without all the pure slant and rhetoric. if you have info on that magical source PLEASE share...
 
No. I like ridiculing CC and his stupidity.

Anyone who thinks he has the IQ of a playtpus is a sheep.

Dude's a wackjob therapist with a slew of mental problems who thinks hes Harvardesque when he graduated from Ol State U or worse.


Fu*k him.

Thanks for making the confirmation of your identity so easy.
 
As long as it's Bron and not... someone else.

The reason I called him out is because his responses are predictable and he was sure to confirm the accusation.
 
We've been blinded by the "other guy" for so long that we don't see that "our guy" is just as bad. You have to think, you have to look at the whole picture. If you don't then there's no point to even trying.

with all due respect (which is considerable), speak for yourself
 
The reason I called him out is because his responses are predictable and he was sure to confirm the accusation.

Well Tex got Temp Suspended in this thread, and I was afraid he'd gone and done something dumb. My apologies to Tex when he returns for jumping the gun.

Just... folks have a history of doing that round here.
 
Well Tex got Temp Suspended in this thread, and I was afraid he'd gone and done something dumb. My apologies to Tex when he returns for jumping the gun.

Just... folks have a history of doing that round here.

It wasn't tex's grammatical style.
 
Is that how you discern your information?

j-mac

I do a lot of fact-checking, as Mellie could probably tell you. That means I'm not super-informed on every issue. I barely participated in healthcare issues. My issues are teenagers, crime, gangs, race issues. As far as foreign policy, I care very little about most of the world. I'm interested in Iran and the Israeli/Palestine situation

The rest of the time, if I read a link to a story on a blog, I always go back and read the original story it's linked to, and if possible, I look for other stories to see if it is spun differently.
 
How many crisis'?

I take all crises as politically manufactured unless solid evidence suggests otherwise. That's been my position since the Reagan era, regardless of who was in the oval office.
 
Are you suggesting that isnt the case with ALL of the mainstream media these days?

I don't think anyone would suggest that. That's why a lot of us read multiple sources before coming to any kind of conclusion on an issue. i worry about the people who only use one source, whether that source is the New York Times or Glenn Beck.
 
I don't think anyone would suggest that. That's why a lot of us read multiple sources before coming to any kind of conclusion on an issue. i worry about the people who only use one source, whether that source is the New York Times or Glenn Beck.

And to that I say amen. I think if you have an issue that is actually IMPORTANT to you then if you look at 3-4 sources (really not that hard) then somewhere between the black and the white is the grey and thats kinda where we have to make an informed opinion and decision...and at THAT its still a guess.

I dont even mind the Times so much as long as its balanced against the Post and maybe an AP or two.
 
did you see bigbucks bernanke's message to the matriculating YOUTH of u south carolina?

My Way News - Fed chief tells graduates: don't worry, be happy

money can't buy you love

even lottery winners are sad

standards of living, suggests the sage, get old

do you think he knows something?

how many of these KIDS are gonna pull down paychecks this year?

just what IS out there, y'know, for them TODAY?

pursue YOURSELF, warns the wonk, not the DOLLAR

avoid the RAT RACE, recommends the personification of inside power player

find your center (it's your navel)

don't worry, be happy

but GET RID of your xboxes
 
money can't buy you love

Some of the most unhappy people in America are also the wealthiest.

even lottery winners are sad

True.

pursue YOURSELF, warns the wonk, not the DOLLAR

I totally agree with this advice. If you do work that you love, money inevitably follows.

avoid the RAT RACE

Wise advice, only the rats win that one.

don't worry, be happy

Worry is like a rocking chair. Lots of motion but it never gets you anywhere.

but GET RID of your xboxes

Would probably raise our collective IQs by 10 points.
 
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the perfect message for a buncha GRADS heading into a JOBLESS economy

good points
 
now, THERE's a message the kids want and need to hear
 
Nobody is arguing against the free market of ideas. What is being suggested here is that we aren't keeping up with providing our kids and ourselves with the tools to NAVIGATE that free market of ideas.

Tools that help to identify the bias of a particular source. Tools that help users of information sort through the variety that is out there and figure out what information is true, and what is false.

Don't know what tools you are talking about, but such tools already exist - they are the new media that Obama and Ikari just railed against.

If someone like Glenn Beck had falsified quotes thirty years ago, the chances are that he would have gotten away with it. Whereas today, all it takes is one person in a million to plunge into the abundance of information and find it out. If this person has a point, then others will take notice and the information will spread. Will it convince Beck's die-hard supporters? Probably not, but if it really is a good point, there's a good chance it'll dissuade more moderate potential listeners from flocking to him.


There is a difference between, for instance, a book promoted on the Glenn Beck show that FALSIFIES QUOTES from the founding fathers to justify theocracy, and scholarship that has been peer-reviewed and held up to academic scrutiny.

There isn't, in the sense that neither should be accepted as word of God. Nothing should be, and everything should be taken with a hint of skepticism, peer reviewed or not.


The fact is that both sides present the "facts" with their own spin. It's hard to find factual information on many topics.

This has always been true. Now there is open availability of spin from all sides, though, the one thing that didn't exist before. It's also a lot less hard to find factual information on any topic than before, so I'm not really sure how new media supposedly exacerbates this problem when in fact it minimizes it.


Disinformation is very easy to spread when you hide it in emotionalized rhetoric and nationalism. People can choose whatever they want, but I told you exactly what needs to happen if your goal is to preserve the Republic. Only a fool would suggest that giving one's self up to the misinformation out there, to allow one to be pulled and pushed along the tides of hyperpartisan "news" would be a good thing. It's not a good thing.

Of course not. Which is why the new media is such a great thing. Rather than creating one "tide" that is the mainstream media, it spreads information out into something that anyone can access. It also spreads disinformation out into something that anyone can access. But frankly, seeing the latter rather than the former is an inherently elitist view, since it assumes that most people will take untruth over truth when both are readily available - meaning that if an educated society is to exist, information can't be freely available. But many people stop just short of realizing that conclusion to their views.

I don't expect that everyone has the same political opinion as I do. In fact, it would be a little bothersome, I couldn't rant if everyone agreed with me. However, there is a difference in saying that people can have a different opinion and having an opinion based almost entirely off of hyperbole, spin, emotionalized rhetoric, and hyperpartisan hackery. If people read books and educated themselves and had a different opinion than me, fine. So long as it's an educated, researched opinion, I feel well better than that. It's when these opinions are born of ignorance that I start to worry. Smart people disagreeing is one thing. Misinformed people running on emotional knee jerk reactions are completely different.

And yet, you said that this is to "preserve the Republic". But if everyone's opinions stay the same and everyone votes the same way and basically nothing changes, what will have been preserved?


Do you ever encounter leftist posters on here who have absorbed their opinions wholesale from the Daily Kos and/or Democratic Underground? Or rightist posters on here who regularly cite the Free Republic without any corroborating evidence?

That's what we're talking about here.

The Daily Kos and Free Republic are no different than Newsweek or the Scientific American. Rush Limbargh and Rachel Maddow are no different from Walter Lippmann. They are all filters for information; information is almost never raw. The difference is that now we can all choose our filters, and thus the views of the information seeker come before the filter. Do you really think that those who read Free Republic or Democratic Underground would think or view things any differently if they didn't read those? No, because they could only find those sites in the first place by looking around at all the different filters. If they choose that filter to be the best, it says more about the reader than about what they are reading. It'll only appeal to a larger audience if it actually has good points. And it doesn't appeal to a larger audience, because most people don't read either of those.
 
Well Tex got Temp Suspended in this thread, and I was afraid he'd gone and done something dumb. My apologies to Tex when he returns for jumping the gun.

Just... folks have a history of doing that round here.

Tex and I may not get along, but he's not an idiotic, impulsive teenager who has no concept of boundaries. I couldn't imagine him doing anything remotely like that.

Besides... Bron's just mad because I told him that each time he creates a sock, I'm going to humiliate him, publicly. And he makes it so easy.
 
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It's funny how the centrists, libertarians, and moderates seem to grok this, but the hardcore conservative koolaid drinkers have their panties in a wad.

This is an excellent point. From what I see in this thread, it is the extremists... in this case the conservatives, who are doing nothing but spinning the issue in order to fit their partisan hatred and demonization. This comment, for example, demonstrates this perfectly:

The term "Critical Thinking" has often been used to denigrate those not in agreement with liberal agenda.


j-mac

No, it's about critical thinking. Only someone who's sole focus is attacking the "other" side, without being able to look at the situation critically would comment like this. The entire issue is around being able to discern information from spin. It's not about Obama... but some folks MAKE it about Obama because he said it. We are innudated with information, and just sucking it up isn't enough anymore. One has to be able to use their critical thinking abilities to be able to differentiate what is information and what is propaganda... and that often means examining different sources with different leans. Any one who indicates that using critical thinking is a partisam agenda is using their own partisan agenda to denigrate crtical thinking.
 
So is Obama going to post this on his Facebook page, or is he just going to text it from his beloved Blackberry?
 
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