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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In that vein, wouldn't ALL information be needed then? What is Obama afraid of?


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    It's not that information isn't needed. It's that there is so much information and our society has not kept pace in terms of teaching people how to objectively interpret and process that information.

    He wasn't promoting shutting down information. He was suggesting that students need to learn how to wisely USE information. I would agree with that, as well.

    Think about the conflicting messages that kids receive from a thousand different directions in regards to sex and their bodies. How do you teach your children how to sort through and interpret all of that conflicting information? It's complicated.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's not that information isn't needed. It's that there is so much information and our society has not kept pace in terms of teaching people how to objectively interpret and process that information.
    Shouldn't that interpretation be left to the individual garnering the information? When you say that "society" needs to "teach people how to objectively process that information", aren't you REALLY saying we need to control the message?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    What is 'elitist' about saying that technology has actually made people more prone to misinformation? This has been true since the day mass print was perfected. Can anybody name a single medium of conveying information that hasn't been used to bombard people with misinformation? Nothing to do with wanting to control a medium. Just a social commentary. The internet is the perfect example of just what a society can do with a global medium for transferring information. 90% of the internet is made up of porn and the other 10% is used for miscellaneous crap. More people are misinformed because it is so easy to simply go online and type what you want to hear instead of the truth.

    You will find websites, video games, movies online validating misinformation. All the Alex Jones videos seem to be online. All filled with massive lies about governments. You have David Ike online conducting chat sessions with thousands and putting out articles about the vaccines the evil lizard race is creating to control us all. These are just examples of the amount of misinformation there is on the internet.

    Obama is absolutely right, technology has made humanity stupid. We're lazy. We have no desire to learn about the past from people who've studied it. We'd rather hear it from some kid on YouTube. Critical thought is dying one brain cell at a time.

    This ridiculous assertion that Obama hates the internet or is afraid of it when his entire campaign was basically organized with the help of the internet is ridiculous. Dozens of articles were written on just how successful Obama's organizers were in using the internet to organize rallies and bring exposure to him.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7412045.stm

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/1...nged-politics/

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/200...opelled-by-in/

    http://www.allbusiness.com/media-tel...4178948-1.html
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Think about the conflicting messages that kids receive from a thousand different directions in regards to sex and their bodies. How do you teach your children how to sort through and interpret all of that conflicting information? It's complicated.
    More importantly, is enough of society even capable of that level of thought? Often, I fear the answer is no.

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In that vein, wouldn't ALL information be needed then? What is Obama afraid of?


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    I don't think it's necessarily being "afraid". To be honest, I think most politicians up there in DC would be afraid of the whole truth. They're all hiding something. But the point isn't that information is bad or anything, it's the manner by which the information is prescribed. It all goes through polarization optics before hitting us, and it's become incredibly dangerous and harmful to the overall communication of information and the use of critical thinking skills. We've been given so much in such a little amount of time that it starts to become impossible to wade through it all. Then you add on top of that the polarized and spin laden nature of our media.

    We're not taught to think, we're not taught to look things up, research, check, understand. We sit in front of the boob tube and we absorb, and what we're absorbing is fast becoming filth. We listen to the Fox News and the MSNBC and we take it unquestioningly. But what we're given is highly polarized and one sided accounts of events. I don't tend to agree with Obama, but what he says here is true. Think about the health care debate. Now there was actually plenty of room for debate, no matter which side you come down on for this issue. Plenty of logical, rational debate to be had. But what we got were instead knee jerk reactions. Obama is a socialist, Republicans want people to die, blah blah blah blah. There was no real information in there. It was all just hyperpartisan bull****, and that's starting to become all that's given out. It's more entertaining, it's more lively, it gets better ratings, it keeps us from thinking, etc.

    It's high time we see it all for what it is and try to get back to thinking about problems, about doing a bit of research now and then, time to keep educated about the system and participate in it. That's the only way we can keep this Republic.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's not that information isn't needed. It's that there is so much information and our society has not kept pace in terms of teaching people how to objectively interpret and process that information.
    And what way is that? Why do you say this? Because certain venues of information don't agree with YOUR outlook on life? I think it's liberating how much information is available for people to consume.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He wasn't promoting shutting down information. He was suggesting that students need to learn how to wisely USE information. I would agree with that, as well.
    And who and how is this conveyed to children? What set off the "Obama's wrong" flags were his singling out Talk Radio and the like. I.E. Right Wing sources are bad was the message in there. And blogs, blogs are the antithesis of the MSM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Think about the conflicting messages that kids receive from a thousand different directions in regards to sex and their bodies. How do you teach your children how to sort through and interpret all of that conflicting information? It's complicated.
    It is complicated, what solution have you? A single approved source for all information?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Shouldn't that interpretation be left to the individual garnering the information? When you say that "society" needs to "teach people how to objectively process that information", aren't you REALLY saying we need to control the message?


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    Not at all. I meant exactly what I said. Kids need, just like adults, to learn how to fact-check, to sort biased sources from unbiased sources, and how to understand the motivations underneath an article or story.

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Not at all. I meant exactly what I said. Kids need, just like adults, to learn how to fact-check, to sort biased sources from unbiased sources, and how to understand the motivations underneath an article or story.

    And we should trust Obama, or his administration to do that?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    More importantly, is enough of society even capable of that level of thought? Often, I fear the answer is no.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Shouldn't that interpretation be left to the individual garnering the information? When you say that "society" needs to "teach people how to objectively process that information", aren't you REALLY saying we need to control the message?

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Your opinion is that he has a valid point. That's fine, and you're welcome to it. I think he's a political animal for whom one has to look beyond just the basic of his message. What's motivating him?

    And that's where my problem with Obama starts, and where you are gullible for taking anything he says at face value.
    I really could care less what motivated him to say it. He's absolutely right. And I think it's silly for anyone to speculate on what his motivation was, especially for purely partisan reasons.

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