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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, and what sources should one use to "fact check"?

    How should one go about identifying "source bias"?

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    Didn't you learn this stuff in school?

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias]Bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact_checker]Fact checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    Fact-checking involves researching original sources when possible to determine that the material was used accurately and presented in context. In publishing terms, it means verifying quotes with sources. In user terms, it means reading multiple sources of data and checking footnotes/endnotes listed in the article.

    Source bias means determining how data was collected, whether the methodology was scientific, and whether the data is presented accurately, without being tainted by an individual's opinions.

    These days, most American newspapers don't employ fact-checkers anymore, which means users need to exercise caution.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why don't you try reading what Ikari is saying instead of asking so many questions? Cause I am sure he's answered them already. READ FFS. READ.

    FFS?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Didn't you learn this stuff in school?

    Bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Fact checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Fact-checking involves researching original sources when possible to determine that the material was used accurately and presented in context. In publishing terms, it means verifying quotes with sources. In user terms, it means reading multiple sources of data and checking footnotes/endnotes listed in the article.

    Source bias means determining how data was collected, whether the methodology was scientific, and whether the data is presented accurately, without being tainted by an individual's opinions.

    These days, most American newspapers don't employ fact-checkers anymore, which means users need to exercise caution.

    I agree, and although in this day and age, it may be prudent to check everything springing forth for accuracy, the amount, and sheer volume of things being done that effect your life on a daily basis, one would need to quit their job, and employ a team of fact checkers, and be privy to all source materiel. Is that how you discern your information?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    this is the president, bear in mind, who once told americans who disagree with him, essentially, to shut up

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA"]YouTube- Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking[/nomedia]


    the same arrogant, tone deaf president a couple months prior asked americans to rat out their neighbors for expressing fishy thoughts

    Are you fishy? The White House wants to know.

    he probably forgot

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I agree, and although in this day and age, it may be prudent to check everything springing forth for accuracy, the amount, and sheer volume of things being done that effect your life on a daily basis, one would need to quit their job, and employ a team of fact checkers, and be privy to all source materiel. Is that how you discern your information?


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    Who doesn't do a bit of research for major decisions? When you buy a car, do you go to the dealership and say "sell me a car!"? Or do you look into it first? Do you look at your finances and what you can afford and the type of car that you want? Research new and used car prices, find out what's fair before you walk into that dealership? When you buy a house, do you just sign the contract if offered? No, you read, you understand the terms, you make an educated decision. Why should your vote be any different? It's just as, if not more of, important a decision as buying a car or a house. Yes, it will take time, you may have to cut down on TV; but it's well worth the effort.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who doesn't do a bit of research for major decisions? When you buy a car, do you go to the dealership and say "sell me a car!"? Or do you look into it first? Do you look at your finances and what you can afford and the type of car that you want? Research new and used car prices, find out what's fair before you walk into that dealership? When you buy a house, do you just sign the contract if offered? No, you read, you understand the terms, you make an educated decision. Why should your vote be any different? It's just as, if not more of, important a decision as buying a car or a house. Yes, it will take time, you may have to cut down on TV; but it's well worth the effort.

    Let's not devolve into condescension shall we? Let me ask, how much information have we been barraged with on a daily basis from this administration? How many crisis'? Seems like daily no?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's not devolve into condescension shall we? Let me ask, how much information have we been barraged with on a daily basis from this administration? How many crisis'? Seems like daily no?


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    Again, with the deflect into partisan territory. How much was I told to fear by Bush Co? How much crap was gonna come and get me? It's the same with any administration. The government seeks to expand its power, the branches of government seek to horde power. It's not just Obama, it's been Bush and Clinton and Reagan, etc. At some point this deflect to partisan hackery has got to end if we want to truly control the government.

    What's your goal? Controlled government, or Republican run government? Because they aren't the same things. As for the condescension, there was none. Any that was there was perceived by you but not there in reality.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's the same with any administration. The government seeks to expand its power, the branches of government seek to horde power. It's not just Obama
    that's decidedly NOT what he told the KIDS

    on THEIR day

    At some point this deflect to partisan hackery has got to end
    tell it to the president, tell it to the KIDS

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Again, with the deflect into partisan territory. How much was I told to fear by Bush Co? How much crap was gonna come and get me? It's the same with any administration. The government seeks to expand its power, the branches of government seek to horde power. It's not just Obama, it's been Bush and Clinton and Reagan, etc. At some point this deflect to partisan hackery has got to end if we want to truly control the government.

    What's your goal? Controlled government, or Republican run government? Because they aren't the same things. As for the condescension, there was none. Any that was there was perceived by you but not there in reality.

    Ok, If I perceived it wrongly, I apologize. However, the fact that others have done this sort of thing as well is of no consequence. The others are not in power anymore, and this one is. If I read you right, you are saying that just because other Presidents have started down a road, then it's ok for this one to step on the gas. Do you really believe that?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, If I perceived it wrongly, I apologize. However, the fact that others have done this sort of thing as well is of no consequence. The others are not in power anymore, and this one is. If I read you right, you are saying that just because other Presidents have started down a road, then it's ok for this one to step on the gas. Do you really believe that?


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    You read incorrect. I cannot make this any clearer, I seriously don't know what your problem is. It was not ok for any of them to do so. If we keep getting lost on the path of hyperpartisanship we'll only bitch when the other guy is in charge. How the Republicans howled when Clinton was in charge (for good reason), but that howling stopped when Bush was in charge even though he was doing the same if not worse things. The howling started up again when Obama got in charge. But where did that howling lead us? Nowhere better. We're still worse off. We've been blinded by the "other guy" for so long that we don't see that "our guy" is just as bad. You have to think, you have to look at the whole picture. If you don't then there's no point to even trying.

    The information we are fed is full of spin, hyperbole, and entertainment. It's up to the viewer to disseminate all that and withdraw the information. To compare it to other information, to objectively analyze the actions of the government, to intelligently learn about the various branches and tools of government. We have to stop thinking of this as R v D and understand that it is The People, our freedom, our liberty, our rights v the Government. That is a serious responsibility and duty. Now enough of this hyperpartisan BS.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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