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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    America is in no way in the same place that Iran is, but it is interesting that certain notions of these birds of a feather carry forth in different degrees. Iran, cracks down, while Obama just demonizes. How big a step is it really?

    You're not sure I am up for this discussion? are you?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think the focus may have been a bit too "old man". "Kids these days and their fancy XBoxes...well back in my day...". But we shouldn't allow that to completely distract from a valid point. Because there is a valid point. Is it technology's fault? No, it's our own. We allowed ourselves to be swept up and consumed by it. Technology could in fact aid us greatly in this very topic. We have to have the resolve and understanding to use these things as aids and to not be dominated by them. The lazy path is always easier, but it ultimately leads to a much worse place.

    I am not in total disagreement with you, or Catz, or Obama for that matter. My questioning of it is purely in who controls the method of discerning the information. We must take into account that this Progressive lurch to the left in today's politic was instituted decades ago by the very same "hippy" class of far leftists that realized that violence was not the way, then proceeded to take over the education system. Take a look, Ayers sits on the board that decides ciriculum [sic] for the nations high schools for God's sake!


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Iran, cracks down, while Obama just demonizes. How big a step is it really?
    A huge one. First off, Obama wasn't DEMONIZING technology. He was urging that people to rationally examine the information that they take in from a variety of sources. Are you opposed to that? You're opposed to people being encouraged to use their own common sense???
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Obama is demonizing technology? Hyperbolic tonight aren't we?

    No, just asking the question.


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Take a look, Ayers sits on the board that decides ciriculum [sic] for the nations high schools for God's sake!
    So does David Barton, the man who created fraudulent quotes and then attributed them (falsely) to the founding fathers in order to further his own paradigms about Christian control of government.

    Does that concern you, that a man who is so lackadaisical about ideological ethics that he created false statements, is controlling what high schoolers in Texas and other states learn about the history of this country?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am not in total disagreement with you, or Catz, or Obama for that matter. My questioning of it is purely in who controls the method of discerning the information. We must take into account that this Progressive lurch to the left in today's politic was instituted decades ago by the very same "hippy" class of far leftists that realized that violence was not the way, then proceeded to take over the education system. Take a look, Ayers sits on the board that decides ciriculum [sic] for the nations high schools for God's sake!


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    I don't think anyone "controls" it. We have to learn to interact with it in an educated and intelligent manner. We have to take the responsibility to research our options, to understand the system being discussed, to servo it ourselves through our votes and through our pressure on the system and through our insistence that it obey our rights and liberties. A free Republic won't keep itself up, it takes continual work to keep it running. Continual input, continual control. By allowing ourselves to be swept away by the misinformation, to buy into the spin and partisan hackery, we work against the goal of preserving the Republic.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    ipads and emails are one thing

    but when oblivious obama takes on playstation, he's unwittingly going after these kids' very lifestyles

    the operative word is "unwittingly"

    he's THAT tone deaf

    HE's the guy who gave the QUEEN an ipod

    Obama Gives Queen Elizabeth An iPod

    he musta forgot

    typical

    just like his entire state of the union: what became of the spending freeze, the bank tax, the debt commission, the doubling of exports, don't ask don't tell...

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think anyone "controls" it. We have to learn to interact with it in an educated and intelligent manner. We have to take the responsibility to research our options, to understand the system being discussed, to servo it ourselves through our votes and through our pressure on the system and through our insistence that it obey our rights and liberties. A free Republic won't keep itself up, it takes continual work to keep it running. Continual input, continual control. By allowing ourselves to be swept away by the misinformation, to buy into the spin and partisan hackery, we work against the goal of preserving the Republic.
    Furthermore, I don't believe anyone SHOULD control the spread of information. The key is to teach people to scrutinize sources, go back and fact-check evidence, and exercise a healthy skepticism.

    I do this with my kids by asking them to critically evaluate commercials we see on television, and television programs we watch.

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Furthermore, I don't believe anyone SHOULD control the spread of information. The key is to teach people to scrutinize sources, go back and fact-check evidence, and exercise a healthy skepticism.

    I do this with my kids by asking them to critically evaluate commercials we see on television, and television programs we watch.

    Ok, then maybe I am missing something. Explain to me like I am a 4th grader, what is "Critical thinking" to you?


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Furthermore, I don't believe anyone SHOULD control the spread of information. The key is to teach people to scrutinize sources, go back and fact-check evidence, and exercise a healthy skepticism.

    I do this with my kids by asking them to critically evaluate commercials we see on television, and television programs we watch.
    And that's exactly what needs to be done. Great job, you're well ahead of the curve. I'm not saying things like Ann Coulter go away, somehow forced that way by the government. No, she can stay. But when she runs off at her mouth about her outlandish claims that people instead say "I wonder if that's true, I'll have to look that up", something along those lines. Don't take it at face value. What we have up for stake is well to precious and valuable to take things at face value. Learn to question, learn to research, learn to make up your own mind and work with conviction and intelligence for your ideologies.
    Last edited by Ikari; 05-10-10 at 12:47 PM.
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