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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I know that Obama's administration didn't "start" it, but they sure ramped it up. Hyper-partisanship is something that will always be present, what we need to focus on is why things like journalism slid from reporting facts, and investigating without bias changed to agenda reporting.


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    Well that's easy. Because we let it. We've become lazy, we aren't performing our duties as freemen. Obama "ramped it up" about the same as everyone else. As soon as they see they can get away with something, the government always takes it as far as it can go...farther in some cases. It was never supposed to be Republican vs. Democrat, Libertarian vs. Green, or any of that. It was always supposed to be The People vs. The Government. That's the battle line. All this other crap that floats around is there to make us forget that.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    For instance, the 1/3 of the American public who believes that the U.S. Government was complicit in the attacks on 9/11/2001...

    Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy | ScrippsNews

    AND the 12% of Americans who continue to believe that Obama is a Muslim.

    Daily Number: Still Think Obama is Muslim - Pew Research Center

    Clearly,
    for at least 42% of the population, identifying factual information is difficult.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you ever encounter leftist posters on here who have absorbed their opinions wholesale from the Daily Kos and/or Democratic Underground? Or rightist posters on here who regularly cite the Free Republic without any corroborating evidence?

    That's what we're talking about here.

    Not often enough for the President of the United States to publicly attack technology.

    Remember what is the first thing that Iran tried to do in the face of riots over their sham elections? That's right attack the technology.


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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not often enough for the President of the United States to publicly attack technology.

    Remember what is the first thing that Iran tried to do in the face of riots over their sham elections? That's right attack the technology.


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    Good god, you're serious. Did Obama say that these devices should be disabled? Did he use his powers to take the phone service offline? Did he dismantle the internet and start censoring the use of it?

    Ahmadinejad did ALL OF THAT. Obama suggested that Americans need to learn to use technology more wisely. He didn't suggest TURNING IT OFF.

    You understand the difference between verbally discussing something and attacking the infrastructure and taking it down, don't you?

    If not, I'm not sure you're up to this discussion.

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not often enough for the President of the United States to publicly attack technology.

    Remember what is the first thing that Iran tried to do in the face of riots over their sham elections? That's right attack the technology.

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    The Nazis did it too. That's right. I just Godwined the thread.

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    dude is addicted to his blackberry,.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not often enough for the President of the United States to publicly attack technology.

    Remember what is the first thing that Iran tried to do in the face of riots over their sham elections? That's right attack the technology.


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    I think the focus may have been a bit too "old man". "Kids these days and their fancy XBoxes...well back in my day...". But we shouldn't allow that to completely distract from a valid point. Because there is a valid point. Is it technology's fault? No, it's our own. We allowed ourselves to be swept up and consumed by it. Technology could in fact aid us greatly in this very topic. We have to have the resolve and understanding to use these things as aids and to not be dominated by them. The lazy path is always easier, but it ultimately leads to a much worse place.
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    dude is addicted to his blackberry,.
    But he hates technology Reverend! He wants to take your iPhone and shut it off! That is what he wants to do! Don't you see? By saying you shouldn't try WND and instead maybe read the Economist he's telling you he will shut off your interwebz!1111!!! Eleventy One!
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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    There are opinions, misinformed and otherwise, and there are facts, supporting and undermining opinions. There is another class of information people use as well. That is political philosophy or ideology. People can interpret the same facts differently, based upon their ideology, when forming their opinions.

    People on the left tend to hold an ideology that government can improve peoples lives and it must be funded to do so and pass policy that allows them to do this. The recent healthcare bill is a good example where taxes will rise, but a significant number of people will have free healthcare. Another example is how to solve the debt and deficit problem. People on the left tend to want to raise taxes.

    People on the right think increased government social programs increase dependence and damage individual freedoms. Wealth redistribution is an unfair practice and people who are struggling need to support themselves through hard work and perseverance. Regarding the case of solving the debt and deficit, people on the right want to reduce spending.

    Each group filters the facts through their ideological lens which inform their opinions. I think that what Obama is saying is that we need to be cognizant of our ideology and how that causes us to interpret facts. Even better is to be aware of the other side's ideology and how they interpret facts.

    Solving the debt and deficit should prove enlightening. I don't think they are going to be able to do it, personally. Hello Greece.

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    Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Good god, you're serious. Did Obama say that these devices should be disabled? Did he use his powers to take the phone service offline? Did he dismantle the internet and start censoring the use of it?

    Ahmadinejad did ALL OF THAT. Obama suggested that Americans need to learn to use technology more wisely. He didn't suggest TURNING IT OFF.

    You understand the difference between verbally discussing something and attacking the infrastructure and taking it down, don't you?

    If not, I'm not sure you're up to this discussion.

    America is in no way in the same place that Iran is, but it is interesting that certain notions of these birds of a feather carry forth in different degrees. Iran, cracks down, while Obama just demonizes. How big a step is it really?

    You're not sure I am up for this discussion? are you?


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