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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I disagree, you are lying.

    lmfao the severance package was something he was entitled to and it included his stock options which again went to charity, the other portion of his severance package was his deferred salary which didn't go up or down no matter how well or poorly Halliburton did.

    Oh give me a freaking break, he didn't make a dime off of Halliburton due to the Iraq war or Halliburton getting no-bid contracts.

    The 36 million dollar (not 39) included his stock options and his deferred salary, again the profits from his stock options go to charity and his deferred salary does not go up or down no matter how well or poorly Halliburton does. What is suspect about getting the money that was owed to him? Are you asserting that he helped to award Halliburton with the contract even though he had absolutely no financial stake in the company just out of some sense of loyalty? Are you ****ing kidding me?

    Yes I understand that even though Cheney doesn't make a dime from Halliburton no-bid contracts and doesn't profit or lose money no matter how well or poorly Halliburton stock does, and has absolutely 0 financial state in the company that you people will continue to see something nefarious that isn't there.
    This is called a strawman. You're making up an argument I never made. I made the argument that Cheney's ties to Halliburton secured Halliburton its no-bid contract regardless of whether or not he made money from them. That is essentially the definition of cronyism. He was partial to them because they had been good for him in the past. Much in the same way Ronald Rumsfeld benefited from U.S. spending on Avian Flu vaccines from a company he had millions of dollars in stock in. It is simply a sign of the cronyism that plagued the Bush administration.

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is called a strawman. You're making up an argument I never made. I made the argument that Cheney's ties to Halliburton secured Halliburton its no-bid contract regardless of whether or not he made money from them. That is essentially the definition of cronyism. He was partial to them because they had been good for him in the past. Much in the same way Ronald Rumsfeld benefited from U.S. spending on Avian Flu vaccines from a company he had millions of dollars in stock in. It is simply a sign of the cronyism that plagued the Bush administration.

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    There is nothing more lazy than quoting separate points into one quote then dismissing it all.

    You made a claim about the amount of money. He argued that point and gave you the right number. You ducked it. That isn't a strawman.

    You then ducked the fact that the severance package was something built into his contract. That again isn't a strawman.

    If you are going to debate Hatuey, at least have the courtesy to address all points and not lump them together in a false claim of "strawman"

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is called a strawman. You're making up an argument I never made. I made the argument that Cheney's ties to Halliburton secured Halliburton its no-bid contract regardless of whether or not he made money from them. That is essentially the definition of cronyism. He was partial to them because they had been good for him in the past. Much in the same way Ronald Rumsfeld benefited from U.S. spending on Avian Flu vaccines from a company he had millions of dollars in stock in. It is simply a sign of the cronyism that plagued the Bush administration.

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    Ya I gotcha so even though Cheney had absolutely 0 financial stake in the company he decided to award them a no-bid contract out of the kindness of his heart.
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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya I gotcha so even though Cheney had no financial stake in the company he decided to award them a no-bid contract out of the kindness of his heart.
    And gee what a shocker the government is still offering no bid contracts to them under a Democrat controlled government
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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And gee what a shocker the government is still offering no bid contracts to them under a Democrat controlled government
    That's because the evil Cheney is really Barry's puppet master and is still pulling all of the strings in this administration….. Probably with the behind the scenes help of the nit wit Palin.
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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Yes I understand that even though Cheney doesn't make a dime from Halliburton no-bid contracts and doesn't profit or lose money no matter how well or poorly Halliburton stock does, and has absolutely 0 financial state in the company that you people will continue to see something nefarious that isn't there.
    What do you mean YOU PEOPLE ?????

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is called a strawman. You're making up an argument I never made. I made the argument that Cheney's ties to Halliburton secured Halliburton its no-bid contract regardless of whether or not he made money from them. That is essentially the definition of cronyism. He was partial to them because they had been good for him in the past. Much in the same way Ronald Rumsfeld benefited from U.S. spending on Avian Flu vaccines from a company he had millions of dollars in stock in. It is simply a sign of the cronyism that plagued the Bush administration.

    snopes.com: Tamiflu and Donald Rumsfeld

    Stay on topic....this isnt about Rumsfeld.

    Its about Haliburton getting no bid contracts under both administrations, showing your claims of cronyism to be......

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Where was the outrage from the Bushneviks when Bush was doing it? Was it OK then, but not OK now? Of course not. It was WRONG then, just as it is WRONG now. But only now do you hear the outrage from the Bushnevik supporters. I wonder why? Could it be that the reason is because the president now in office has a "D" after his name, and not an "R", in which case, it would be perfectly OK?
    It was okay then, and it is okay now, since Halliburton is the only AMERICAN company that is capable of meeting the terms of the contract.

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    What's wrong with negotiating a contract with a company for a job that no other company on the planet was capable of doing? Who was Halliburton going to bid against exactly?
    I call BS on that argument. Baker Hughes, Bechtel, Technip, and Schlumberger are all able to do that kind of work on that kind of scale, and there are quite a few smaller companies that could have done parts of it.

    The contract with Halliburton was done due to cronyism.
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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I call BS on that argument. Baker Hughes, Bechtel, Technip, and Schlumberger are all able to do that kind of work on that kind of scale, and there are quite a few smaller companies that could have done parts of it.

    The contract with Halliburton was done due to cronyism.

    And is it still cronyism?
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