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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Nope. You guys are the ones supporting fannie and freddie
    It was G.W. Bush and his Cabinet who started the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It was G.W. Bush and his Cabinet who started the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    Outright federal takeover, you have a point, but they by no means started the outright federal backing of the two companies. (which arguably brought about the need for an outright take over.)

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It was G.W. Bush and his Cabinet who started the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    It was the liberals who took over in 2007 in the House and Senate that forced banks to give out loans to people who couldn't afford them.

    Bush tried to put oversights on fannie and freddie

    New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - The New York Times

    And there are many more examples.
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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Just because there is only one person in running for the contract does not mean that there are not negotiations between the government and the said company about the cost.

    Don't you think it would be better for the government to have some say in the price since there will be no competition in bids? Otherwise, the company might decide to bid double what it would actually cost, and since there are no other companies, it could result in drastic overpayment.
    Actually, I'd prefer it if all bids were competitive. Aren't conservatives the ones who say that it's competition between companies that keep prices for consumers down?

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, I'd prefer it if all bids were competitive. Aren't conservatives the ones who say that it's competition between companies that keep prices for consumers down?
    Competition is good, but one company bidding against no one is not competition.

    If there is another company that can do the job, you have a point, otherwise, there is no point to making them bid.

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So you never ripped Bush or his administration over Haliburton?

    Are you sure about that?
    To the best of my memory, I have not. I don't really like the concept of nobid contracts, but based on the reading I have done today, they do serve a purpose. I do think they can be handled better(a nonpartisan panel to look for conflict of interest issues maybe?). Note that before I did my reading on the subject of nobid contracts, I was willing to criticism this administration over this as well. Any issue I have is with the system, not either administration.
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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If it will help end corruption and corporatism in our country, no, I don't.

    how will it help if the end result of the bureaucracy required to get there is already known?
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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    There aren't many companies that can do what they do.

    If they want speed, they go to those who can.
    I'm sure they have good bean counters estimating costs.

    It may not be ideal, but sometimes these no-bids are necessary. It's the real world.
    Clinton did it, Bush 43, and I'm sure there's a long history of it.
    What's the alternative, gobs of bureacracy? Which will do what?
    Most likely raise costs for all the BS the companies would have to do, and slow the process to a snail's pace.

    I never understood the mania about Halliburton and Cheney.
    It was pathetically hollow.

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    Re: KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    I recall all the nashing of the teeth over Halliburton getting the Iraq job. My argument always was: What other oilfield service company in the world had the resources to handle the job? I never got an answer, needless to say, because there isn't one.
    Just because you weren't lead to the water doesn't mean it wasn't there.

    A couple of posts between me and Sir Loin. I was replying to someone making the same erroneous claim, as you, that Haliburton was the only one that could do the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    Weatherford

    The aforementioned - Schlumberger

    Baker Hughes

    That's just off the top of my head. I've been retired for 10 years, so I'm sure there are others that I'm not recalling immediately.

    Point being Haliburton/KBR is not the only oilfield company capable of doing what had to be done in Iraq.

    And besides I gave more explanation than 'that's BS', unlike some of those claiming Haliburton/KBR was the only one capable.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...post1058545455
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin
    I actually made a mistake and edited out the end of my last post. Let me correct that.

    All the Houston oil services companies off 410 got in on the Iraq action. Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Weatherford International, Schlumberger and engineering giants KBR (yes we know who they are a subsidy of) Bechtel, Parsons, Flour and Foster Wheeler were all employed in Iraq. I know that legend has it that Halliburton was the only outfit granted access to the reconstruction work in Iraq. But then people making that argument are none too well informed. And this all has what to do with Palin and the Tea Party movement?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...post1058545529
    This was in a thread that you actually participated in less than an hour after Sir Loin's post.

    And as a side note, if you want to look further back through that thread, I said I didn't really care if Haliburton got a no-bid contract. My only argument was that they weren't the only ones that could handle the job.
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    KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks

    KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks (Update1) - BusinessWeek

    May 6 (Bloomberg) -- KBR Inc. was selected for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011 for military support services in Iraq, the Army said.

    The Army announced its decision yesterday only hours after the Justice Department said it will pursue a lawsuit accusing the Houston-based company of taking kickbacks from two subcontractors on Iraq-related work. The Army also awarded the work to KBR over objections from members of Congress, who have pushed the Pentagon to seek bids for further logistics contracts.

    The Justice Department said the government will join a suit filed by whistleblowers alleging that two freight-forwarding firms gave KBR transportation department employees kickbacks in the form of meals, drinks, sports tickets and golf outings.




    One of the biggest complaints from the left was no-bid contracts for haliburton during the Bush administration. Here we have the same thing. What say you now on Obama granting no bid contracts to halibuton.
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