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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

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    I support teacher pay raises. What I don't support, are substandard teachers who can't be fired, because of civil service, or union protection.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

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    I don't need to defend my argument. It stand on it's own merits.
    I disagree and have provided logical reasoning of why I think it doesn't.

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    Ever hear of Farm Aid? All farmers qualify for some sorta free money, or other.
    Yep I do know of this but there are many fields which have little to no subsidy and yet they provide a valuable service every day from every member of said group.

    They aren't worshiped as heroes, even though it can be argued that they do something more valuable than what the military provides.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    on the contrary; the military (and the police) are what allow free market items like farms to exist and do business with any kind of chance at success. try farming for a career when others are free to come and take your produce at gunpoint.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

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    on the contrary; the military (and the police) are what allow free market items like farms to exist and do business with any kind of chance at success. try farming for a career when others are free to come and take your produce at gunpoint.
    Without farms, police and military cannot exist at all.
    Farms could exist without state authorities and have existed without them in the past.

    They rely more on farmers and economic producers than the producers rely on them.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

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    Without farms, police and military cannot exist at all.
    the two are interdependent. you can't have agriculture without security, and you can't afford a standing military or police force without agriculture.

    however, to argue that "farm subsidies = the existence of farms" is ludicrous. food prices would drop without those price supports.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the two are interdependent. you can't have agriculture without security, and you can't afford a standing military or police force without agriculture.
    The point is that people like to push up the military as some golden child, while there are millions of other people, who work harder and sacrifice more for less pay.
    They don't get the same respect as an enlisted person.

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    however, to argue that "farm subsidies = the existence of farms" is ludicrous. food prices would drop without those price supports.
    They should drop, I never argued that subsidies keep farms alive.
    They mostly benefit big agribusiness.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The point is that people like to push up the military as some golden child, while there are millions of other people, who work harder and sacrifice more for less pay.
    They don't get the same respect as an enlisted person.

    They should drop, I never argued that subsidies keep farms alive.
    They mostly benefit big agribusiness.
    that's fair enough. my point is simply that these people already make half or less than half of the Federal Gubments' civilian workforce; and perhaps that workforce should see cuts before they do.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's fair enough. my point is simply that these people already make half or less than half of the Federal Gubments' civilian workforce; and perhaps that workforce should see cuts before they do.
    The proposal is not a cut in pay, but less of an increase in pay. They are still getting more money
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's fair enough. my point is simply that these people already make half or less than half of the Federal Gubments' civilian workforce; and perhaps that workforce should see cuts before they do.
    I have no problem with that.

    A lot of federal civilian jobs exist solely to keep the illusion of full employment.
    In times of deflation, the feds should be cutting or freezing pay and benefits.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    OK, leave base pay where it is, but raise combat pay and other forms of hazardous duty pay a lot depending on type.
    The troops in the middle east should be compensated more than the clerk types back in the pentagon.
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