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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And if those E-3's feel they are underpaid they are able to (once their elistment term is up can leave the military to find employement that pays better. Just like anyone else in the US correct. Just because they may have decided to get married and have kids does not mean they should get more money (I am channeling someone here)
    When they all bail, where will we be?

    Imagine you run a company. You want the best employees you can find and you want to keep turn over to a minimum, because turn over costs money. Do you pay them substandard wages? Probably not, huh?

    If you do pay them substandard wages and they find out they can make more money, working somewhere els; they're going to leave. If you lose all your employees and can't find more, you're going to go out of business. We can't really afford for the United States military to go out of business, unless those who oppose pay raises support conscription.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a matter of opinion about which war is productive and which one isn't, but the fact that a strong military, that no one in the world has the balls to take on, is a wise investment.

    Most of the money that is spent on the military is spent to support our service members. It buys them food, clothing, bennies, housing and equipment. All these things combined give our soldiers a greater edge on the battlefield to not only defeat the enemy, but to stay alive.
    If it is debatable then it isn't necessarily a good thing.

    Yea I know that it buys them all those things, they agree to those original salaries.
    Why should they be special from everyone else and get higher than average wage increases, when the rest of the people in the U.S. who do in demand, value add things that the whole country can benefit from?

    Military is necessary but they aren't necessarily special, most productive people in this country are adding a benefit to all the lives of all citizens.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And if those E-3's feel they are underpaid they are able to (once their elistment term is up can leave the military to find employement that pays better. Just like anyone else in the US correct. Just because they may have decided to get married and have kids does not mean they should get more money (I am channeling someone here)
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They chose that job and the rate of pay when they joined.
    No one made them.

    I've got 2 kids and have been at my job for 3 years.
    I'm not crying that I get paid less than that E-3, I'm doing something about it.

    i think you guys misunderstood me. I'm not saying that the military is oh-so-woefully underpaid etc; i'm suggesting that if we're going to start slashing federal spending and salaries, there are a lot of positions who should be ahead of them in line to get cuts. i find that the Defense Department alone being told to do this is wrong, not the notion of it happening at all.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If it is debatable then it isn't necessarily a good thing.

    Yea I know that it buys them all those things, they agree to those original salaries.
    Why should they be special from everyone else and get higher than average wage increases, when the rest of the people in the U.S. who do in demand, value add things that the whole country can benefit from?



    Because they pay a high price to protect your freedom to get on here and tell them to sit back, shut-up and suck on it. That's why.

    Military is necessary but they aren't necessarily special, most productive people in this country are adding a benefit to all the lives of all citizens.
    There's where you couldn't be more wrong. Without our military protecting our freedoms, we would be subject to untold numbers of threats that would damage our economy. Compare the economies of countries without strong militaries to the economies of country who do have strong militaries and see what you get.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When they all bail, where will we be?

    Imagine you run a company. You want the best employees you can find and you want to keep turn over to a minimum, because turn over costs money. Do you pay them substandard wages? Probably not, huh?

    If you do pay them substandard wages and they find out they can make more money, working somewhere els; they're going to leave. If you lose all your employees and can't find more, you're going to go out of business. We can't really afford for the United States military to go out of business, unless those who oppose pay raises support conscription.
    perhaps we should pay as low a wage as possible to hire the least talented possible and then be astonished when our foreign policy is negatively effected? you know who you can always hire for crappy wages? trailor trash like Spc England.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    perhaps we should pay as low a wage as possible to hire the least talented possible and then be astonished when our foreign policy is negatively effected? you know who you can always hire for crappy wages? trailor trash like Spc England.

    You said a mouth full, brother.

    People bitch about military pay-raises, then are freaked out when some substandard soldier commits a war crime. They just can't put two-and-two together.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i think you guys misunderstood me. I'm not saying that the military is oh-so-woefully underpaid etc; i'm suggesting that if we're going to start slashing federal spending and salaries, there are a lot of positions who should be ahead of them in line to get cuts. i find that the Defense Department alone being told to do this is wrong, not the notion of it happening at all.
    You miss the point. The DoD isn't being "told" to do it. The Pentagon is telling Congress to stop sending over inflated budgets.

    The articles I've read about this are quite different from the OP.

    I've linked to an example and I see absolutely NOTHING to complain about what Gates is trying to do.

    The DoD is one of the MOST wasteful departments of our government. It's a MASSIVE bureaucracy and it's needs trimming. It's not the only department with waste; but since it's the biggest departments it's automatically one of the most wasteful.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because they pay a high price to protect your freedom to get on here and tell them to sit back, shut-up and suck on it. That's why.
    See this is when you guys go all stupid.
    The vast majority did not do such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's where you couldn't be more wrong. Without our military protecting our freedoms, we would be subject to untold numbers of threats that would damage our economy. Compare the economies of countries without strong militaries to the economies of country who do have strong militaries and see what you get.
    Without farmers you wouldn't have food.
    Without construction workers you wouldn't have a home.

    I could go on but I think my point is being made here.

    The Swiss are doing quite well, no need for a super sized military.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    See this is when you guys go all stupid.
    The vast majority did not do such a thing.



    Without farmers you wouldn't have food.
    Without construction workers you wouldn't have a home.

    I could go on but I think my point is being made here.

    The Swiss are doing quite well, no need for a super sized military.
    Also, Costa Rica eliminated its military and is now the best educated and healthiest nation in Central America. Iceland has no standing military.

    Now, I'm not saying we need to eliminate the military nor should we cut the pay of soldiers.

    But we've let our military become way too much a part of our economy and our budget. Can anyone tell me why we still need thousands stationed in Germany? Who are we protecting from whom? I know Russia's still a problematic nation, but I'd say that the odds of them invading Europe again are pretty slim. Why didn't we listen to Eisenhower? Why, in fact, did we basically do everything he warned us not to do?

    I'm not anti-military; I'm anti-wasteful military spending.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

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    Also, Costa Rica eliminated its military and is now the best educated and healthiest nation in Central America. Iceland has no standing military.

    Now, I'm not saying we need to eliminate the military nor should we cut the pay of soldiers.

    But we've let our military become way too much a part of our economy and our budget. Can anyone tell me why we still need thousands stationed in Germany? Who are we protecting from whom? I know Russia's still a problematic nation, but I'd say that the odds of them invading Europe again are pretty slim. Why didn't we listen to Eisenhower? Why, in fact, did we basically do everything he warned us not to do?

    I'm not anti-military; I'm anti-wasteful military spending.
    All good points.

    I'm not anti-military either but I am anti hero worship.
    I believe military expansion is being used as a guise for full employment.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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