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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The top 10 most dangerous jobs in the United States:
    1) Fishermen
    2) Pilots
    3) Timber cutter
    4) Structural metal workers
    5) Waste collectors
    6) Farmers and ranchers
    7) Power-line workers
    8) Miners
    9) Roofers
    10) Truck drivers
    Total deaths per year: 5,840
    Source: Workplace safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Total American deaths in the entire War on Terror: 5,457
    Source: United States casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    More people die in the top 10 most dangerous jobs per year than soldiers who have died in the entire war, and a lot of them don't make salaries that are so great either. Note that soldiers didn't even make the list. Soldiers are, statistically, also the most likely to make it to retirement and receive benefit packages, versus the above top 10.

    Maybe the government should be giving more entitlement funds to the families in the top 10? After all, what price can you place on serving in such a dangerous duty? And barely anyone talks about them.

    I'm a truck driver and I ain't never been shot at, nor motored, nor run into an IED's. I like my chances of making it home to see my family vs. when I was in the service. Besides that, I don't have to go to the field for weeks on end, sleep in the mud, go without sleep for several days, or get deployed and I have way more creature comforts.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    To answer both TED and Redress, yeah, I know it's really cool that they would do that.

    I wouldn't mind more pay, but knowing how the military budget somewhat works, I also know that unfortunately the military gets a set amount of money period. The military budget has to cover everything the military spends money on.

    And I know that if I went back in, they would at least give me back my E-6 rank, if not a bonus. At E-6 over 10 years (almost over 12) I would make $37K a year base pay and almost plus $300 a month sea pay (since my first assignment after refresher training would be sea duty) and at least $300 (I think more) per month special assignment pay. That would just be taxable income. BAH and BAS are not taxable pays. They depend on the area you live in, but if you just assume that I would live in base housing (all the BAH goes to base housing), then I would essentially be making around $40K a year, without having to pay rent or mortgage payment from that and without having to pay medical or dental bills. If I can't live on $40K a year when last year we made $25K and had to pay rent and $200 a month for just medical, then I definitely need to budget better.

    Even on my husband's pay at E-3 currently, then to E-4 in a couple of months, we will do better this year than last year.

    Now, don't get me wrong, I would do much better doing my job in the civilian sector and have better working hours. I just don't think that it is necessary to get a good size, if any, pay raise considering how much the pay is now. Especially when it means that getting that pay raise means less money for R&D, parts, new equipment, more personnel, or all of these or other important things as a part of the military.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    TED, this might take this a little off your topic, but it's a story from the same speech and I don't think making a new topic on it is really appropriate either.

    Gates: Spending 'gusher' now off - Jen DiMascio - POLITICO.com

    Warning that the kind of massive budget increases seen since 2001 cannot continue, Defense Secretary Robert Gates is ordering the Pentagon to tighten its belt in ways that could squeeze its massive bureaucracy and create serious heartburn on Capitol Hill and in the defense industry.

    Given the economic circumstances, Gates told reporters that the president and Congress would probably think very hard about whether to engage in another conflict that didn't directly threaten U.S. security. Iran isn’t one such conflict now, but said it could become one.

    “It would be a very serious mistake to cut back or alter the defense budget in order to fund ground forces in Iraq and Afghanistan—hopefully temporarily—and, at the same time, do that at the expense of vital shipbuilding programs that take years and years to put into place and are the envy of every other country,” Webb said in a statement.
    Basically, Gates is saying the the military budget cannot continue to grow at the rate it is. I agree. Doubling the budget every 10 years is unsustainable. The problem of course is where do you cut? We have been talking about military pay, which I hate to see cut, and increasing military health care premiums I think is absolutely unacceptable. Reducing the size of the Navy and Marine fleets is not really acceptable either. The problem with that is you cannot build the ships when you need them, you have to do it beforehand.

    Reducing spending on unneeded weapon systems sounds good, but how do you really know which is the right weapon system we need. 20 years ago, when the Predator system was first funded to develop(roughly, not sure of exact year), if you told people about it they would have quickly labeled it as not needed, and yet it has turned into a huge success.

    I agree, the military budget, like all government department budgets, needs to be reigned in. It's just going to be a real hard process, and far from perfect.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    ...almost plus $300 a month sea pay...
    Good lord...I got 120 a month sea pay....
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    So I'm at least going to say that they should probably freeze wage increases.
    Most enlisted get paid pretty decent salaries, not to mention the other benefits.
    Military retirement is also pretty sweet, in my opinion.

    2009 Annual Salary Chart for U.S. Military Enlisted Members
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    BTW, for anyone who doesn't know this, currently, the military does a budget analysis for anyone who gets in the military with dependents. If you cannot budget your family and debts with the current military pay, and have money left to save, then you have to get a waiver to get in, if you get approved at all. My husband had to do this several times while trying to get in this past couple of years. In fact, they compare your income and assets prior to entry to what you will make when you get in.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    I think that military salaries should be competitive with private security companies, such as Blackwater. Two reasons: 1) To pay soldiers what they're worth. 2) and to recruit and retain more, better personel, thereby building a more professional force.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think that military salaries should be competitive with private security companies, such as Blackwater. Two reasons: 1) To pay soldiers what they're worth. 2) and to recruit and retain more, better personel, thereby building a more professional force.
    If the whole of active duty members were paid similarly to the private sector, over all pay would most likely go down.

    The majority of the people in the military serve as support/non combat members.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How many people work in those top 10 jobs? How many people are deployed at one time in the combat zones? See the problem with that argument?
    The numbers aren't the point. The point is that people serve their country in a number of different ways, and I don't think it's fair to give soldiers more than others who are doing even more high risk jobs but with less acknowledgment.

    I have a better question. Why should the tax payers be expected to dish out more money for useless wars? The U.S. should never have gone to Iraq. I know what's done is done and we have to look forward, but if the military is having financial issues then the choices of the U.S. government are to blame. If the military has a budget crisis, even with half a trillion dollars per year or more, then maybe overseas campaigns should be reduced?

    On the subject of welfare, fiscal conservatives always talk about conservation. Why are the same principles never applied to the military? It too can be a financial black hole if its function is not being used wisely.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The numbers aren't the point. The point is that people serve their country in a number of different ways, and I don't think it's fair to give soldiers more than others who are doing even more high risk jobs but with less acknowledgment.

    I have a better question. Why should the tax payers be expected to dish out more money for useless wars? The U.S. should never have gone to Iraq. I know what's done is done and we have to look forward, but if the military is having financial issues then the choices of the U.S. government are to blame. If the military has a budget crisis, even with half a trillion dollars per year or more, then maybe overseas campaigns should be reduced?

    On the subject of welfare, fiscal conservatives always talk about conservation. Why are the same principles never applied to the military? It too can be a financial black hole if its function is not being used wisely.
    Military is becoming one of those special pander groups.
    Where in most circumstances, it's shielded from criticism because it's not patriotic.

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