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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

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    simultaneously, the pentagon awards HALIBURTON a HALF TRILLION dollar NO BID CONTRACT and the doj declares it will SUE cheney's chumps for KICKBACKS

    KBR to Get No-Bid Army Work as U.S. Alleges Kickbacks (Update1) - BusinessWeek

    unbelievable

    when will enough finally be enough?

    this is NOT what YOU voted for
    Something the two of us agree on.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How many people work in those top 10 jobs? How many people are deployed at one time in the combat zones? See the problem with that argument?
    Actually, lots of people work in those jobs, but the pay they earn is probably less than what the military pays, especially if you count the perks of the military.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, lots of people work in those jobs, but the pay they earn is probably less than what the military pays, especially if you count the perks of the military.
    Absolutely.

    All the same, the government can't pick them up and move them whenever it wants, or toss them onto a battle front in some godforsaken desert, or tell them how much they're allowed to make, or what their responsibilities are.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's like market fraud if you ask me. They advertise the military as a fun structured place where you get to see the world and make good money with wonderful benefits when you leave... This isn't the case, but once you sign on you can't change your mind.

    Even if you can drink in front of an adult, you still don't need consenting parents to sign on as a 17 year old.
    I don't know where you got this from, but both my husband and myself had to have our parents, both parents, sign so that we could enlist into DEP at 17, and we both went to bootcamp (him the first time) at 18. In fact, my husband told me that they actually surfaced his father's sub just so that he could sign my husband's enlistment papers into the Marines.

    Anyway, I don't think enlistment and reenlistment bonuses are bad, considering not everyone gets one. They are specifically for undermanned jobs. Most of these jobs are severely undermanned despite giving reenlistment bonuses, so I couldn't imagine what those jobs would be manned like without such bonuses. In some cases, without bonuses offered, we would not be able to properly and safely operate our subs and carriers because the sailors who do so can make much better money in the private sector without the hours the military requires. And it costs a lot more money to train new people than it does to retain already trained personnel.

    Now as for the generous pay raise, I actually agree with the Pentagon on this. I do think that we should look to cut spending all over the government, but I am also okay with not getting a pay raise or getting only a small pay raise, if it means fewer people forced out of the military because the budget doesn't support it. It sucks a lot more to have to try to work the same jobs in the same time with fewer people, than it does to have to spend a little more thrifty in the time you do get at home.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Actually, lots of people work in those jobs, but the pay they earn is probably less than what the military pays, especially if you count the perks of the military.
    The fact there is a lot of them is the point. There is a lot more of them than soldiers in combat. Hence, the higher death numbers. Deaths per 100,000 would be a more revealing number.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't know where you got this from, but both my husband and myself had to have our parents, both parents, sign so that we could enlist into DEP at 17, and we both went to bootcamp (him the first time) at 18. In fact, my husband told me that they actually surfaced his father's sub just so that he could sign my husband's enlistment papers into the Marines.
    That is way cool that they did that.

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    Now as for the generous pay raise, I actually agree with the Pentagon on this. I do think that we should look to cut spending all over the government, but I am also okay with not getting a pay raise or getting only a small pay raise, if it means fewer people forced out of the military because the budget doesn't support it. It sucks a lot more to have to try to work the same jobs in the same time with fewer people, than it does to have to spend a little more thrifty in the time you do get at home.
    I don't disagree with this. If(and I am not really in a position to judge now) the military pay is finally decent, then slowing the rate of raises to match the civilian world is not bad. Before the recent higher pay raises(and hats off to every one who saw it happen, no matter what their personal politics), I would have opposed this, but if military pay is decent now, then slowing the rate of increases is not absolutely bad. I would prefer in a perfect world not to slow military pay increases, but it is not like it used to be, where McDonald's paid a higher hourly wage.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't know where you got this from, but both my husband and myself had to have our parents, both parents, sign so that we could enlist into DEP at 17, and we both went to bootcamp (him the first time) at 18. In fact, my husband told me that they actually surfaced his father's sub just so that he could sign my husband's enlistment papers into the Marines.
    Okay, that is just ****ing cool.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Now as for the generous pay raise, I actually agree with the Pentagon on this. I do think that we should look to cut spending all over the government, but I am also okay with not getting a pay raise or getting only a small pay raise, if it means fewer people forced out of the military because the budget doesn't support it. It sucks a lot more to have to try to work the same jobs in the same time with fewer people, than it does to have to spend a little more thrifty in the time you do get at home.
    Aside from the fact I think the military can afford a pay raise if it dials back on the "fun toys," I don't think that there's a Congresscritter on either side of the isle that would survive an election if they refused to sign a bill funding these increases.

    I'm not saying that the money doesn't have to come out of something else, I think we're already spending too much on a lot of things.

    I'm just saying that the boots on the ground are about the last places we should be looking if we're looking for places to save money, is all.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    I dunno TED, when I got in, we got 0 to 4 % raises annually, military families relied on foodstamps, and people got re-elected.
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    Well, without knowing when you got in, I think it's safe to say that you got in before perception management really hit its stride as a way of governing the nation.

    At this point, all it takes is one pundit characterizing a "no" vote as a refusal to pay the troops a fair wage (whether or not it's true), and you'll have politicians falling all over themselves to prove how patriotic and conscientious they are when it comes to military pay.

    That said, military families on food stamps piss me off. How on the face of planet Earth can we put a uniform on someone and reserve the right to order them into harm's way, and yet pay them so little that they need welfare in order to feed their kids?!
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    Re: Pentagon asking Congress to hold back on generous increases in troop pay

    '87 to '93. Probably should have mentioned that. Back then, John Glenn was like our only friend in Congress.
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