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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

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    Boston has no idea what is going on in Arizona. Arizona has the right to enforce laws. I am a big beleiver in federalism. Now, it also seems that they would like to get out of existing contracts. I don't know if there are opt out clauses in those contracts, but if not, trying to get out of them could land the city in legal hot water.

    Besides, doesn't Boston have enough problems to deal with rather than butting their noses into Arizona's issues? Boston has tried to do this with New Hampshire (my native state) for decades -- sick of it...
    I dont give a **** about either of them, let them all die, and burn very painfully.
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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

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    I dont give a **** about either of them, let them all die, and burn very painfully.
    I don't wish ill on either of these political entities. I just wish Boston would address its own rather significant problems and leave New Hampshire, Arizona and other states to sort out theirs...
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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

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    Time to boycott Boston? I hate to say it because I am a native New Englander and love the city, but this is just stupid and misguided. Boston is on the side of the illegal immigrants!
    This is something I love about this forum. You post something that you hate, most others agree, and I just find myself swelling with statriotic pride. I'm a Bostonian, born and raised, and I understand why this probably pisses a lot of people off, but since I already found the Arizona law to be racist and a danger to civil liberties this just makes me feel satisfied that my local government is representative of my views and not only that, has the guts to share those views with the rest of the country even if many will hate it.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Of course, this DOES come from the state that was home to the famously intolerant Puritans... Great history the Bay State has...
    Well, it was the birthplace of America, so you could say that. Also, you won't find many Puritans walking through Boston these days.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am a Boston fan (Bruins are a long-suffering lot, BTW) -- but this resolution is just crappy. Boston has no business supporting illegals and their liberal rag simply lies about the content of the law... what do you expect from M%#sholes...
    I wouldn't use that term, many of us take it as a compliment. I know I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I don't wish ill on either of these political entities. I just wish Boston would address its own rather significant problems and leave New Hampshire, Arizona and other states to sort out theirs...
    Well, Boston is the capital of New England. I don't know specifically what you're talking about but it was propably for New Hampshire's own good. Besides, you owe us. Your economy is based on Massholes driving up to buy fireworks on the 4th and duty-free liquor every day of the year.


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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

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    This is something I love about this forum. You post something that you hate, most others agree, and I just find myself swelling with statriotic pride. I'm a Bostonian, born and raised, and I understand why this probably pisses a lot of people off, but since I already found the Arizona law to be racist and a danger to civil liberties this just makes me feel satisfied that my local government is representative of my views and not only that, has the guts to share those views with the rest of the country even if many will hate it.
    What makes it racist and a danger to civil liberties?

    Well, it was the birthplace of America, so you could say that. Also, you won't find many Puritans walking through Boston these days.
    Actually, Virginia was the first English colony in North America.

    I wouldn't use that term, many of us take it as a compliment. I know I do.
    Fine, take it as a compliment ... and take your garbage out with you next time you visit New Hampshire...

    Well, Boston is the capital of New England. I don't know specifically what you're talking about but it was propably for New Hampshire's own good. Besides, you owe us. Your economy is based on Massholes driving up to buy fireworks on the 4th and duty-free liquor every day of the year.
    Typical Bostonian hubris. I suppose that explains why so many people from Mass have moved to NH in recent years -- unfortunately bringing failed MA politics to NH in the process...
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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

    What makes it racist and a danger to civil liberties?
    It encourages and fosters racial profiling and gives police officers unprecedented rights to establish the legality of an individual.

    Actually, Virginia was the first English colony in North America.
    Indeed it was, but that doesn't make me wrong.

    Fine, take it as a compliment ... and take your garbage out with you next time you visit New Hampshire...
    I prefer Vermont.

    Typical Bostonian hubris. I suppose that explains why so many people from Mass have moved to NH in recent years -- unfortunately bringing failed MA politics to NH in the process...
    Explain to me how politics in Massachusetts (one of the richest states in the union with one of highest per capita GDPs, highest literacy rates, best public education system, and home to the greatest universities in the country and some of the greatest in the world) are failed.

    And, I am actually aware of the "hubris" I am expressing, don't worry. I just happen to be very proud of my city and my state. I imagine it's rather annoying and for that I apoligize, but I'm not likely to stop.
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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

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    It encourages and fosters racial profiling and gives police officers unprecedented rights to establish the legality of an individual.
    No, ir doesn't. Officers ALWAYS have the right to identify an individual when pulling them over for a suspected offense. What makes this any different? So, you would defend the rights of anyone not to be identified for being pulled over for a speeding ticket? Thanks for admitting to all of us you believe that illegals have the right to walk around unmolested. You know, were I live, law enforcement officials have the right to determine that I live here legally -- regardless of citizenship status (for the record, I am a dual citizen). You think law enforcement officials should NOT have the right to determine if your presense itself does not violate the law if you are stopped for another offense?

    Indeed it was, but that doesn't make me wrong.
    Doesn't make you right either. New Hampshire, a colony/state long known for toleration, was founded by people fleeing your precious MA for religious freedom after Puritans (who themselves were fleeing religious persecution) turned the tables on others in MA -- including the natives by the way.

    I prefer Vermont.
    Fine, go there. All of northern New England is beautiful. I like it too.

    Explain to me how politics in Massachusetts (one of the richest states in the union with one of highest per capita GDPs, highest literacy rates, best public education system, and home to the greatest universities in the country and some of the greatest in the world) are failed.
    Explain to me why so many people from Massachusetts have moved to NH over the past ten years and regularly cross the border to go shopping in NH?
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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

    No, ir doesn't. Officers ALWAYS have the right to identify an individual when pulling them over for a suspected offense. What makes this any different? So, you would defend the rights of anyone not to be identified for being pulled over for a speeding ticket? Thanks for admitting to all of us you believe that illegals have the right to walk around unmolested. You know, were I live, law enforcement officials have the right to determine that I live here legally -- regardless of citizenship status (for the record, I am a dual citizen). You think law enforcement officials should NOT have the right to determine if your presense itself does not violate the law if you are stopped for another offense?
    I don't think there should be laws that make a person's very presence in a country illegal (at least not in this context), so... yeah.

    Doesn't make you right either. New Hampshire, a colony/state long known for toleration, was founded by people fleeing your precious MA for religious freedom after Puritans (who themselves were fleeing religious persecution) turned the tables on others in MA -- including the natives by the way.
    You won't hear me defending the Puritans, who I'll say again are in fact gone from the face of the earth. I myself am a Jewish/Catholic atheist, I probably would have been kicked out back then too. However, for all their sins and religious intolerence, the Puritans theories on community and governance shaped the political structure of this state, and eventually its constitution, which the national constitution draws on heavily.

    Fine, go there. All of northern New England is beautiful. I like it too.
    Something we can agree on.

    Explain to me why so many people from Massachusetts have moved to NH over the past ten years and regularly cross the border to go shopping in NH?
    I don't know how many people have moved to New Hampshire over the last ten years, probably not as many as you're implying. However, there are plenty of reasons. For all of the things I love about Massachusetts it is very developed, there isn't a lot of nature easily accessible, and the skiing is laughable. I can certainly see people, perhaps retirees, moving up there to escape the hecticness of city life and live somewhere with the same sensibilities, but more trees and less cars.

    As for the shopping, people go there because your state specifically designed laws to make goods in New Hampshire cheaper for citizens of Massachusetts to encourage this so they could make money off it. People tend to go out of their way to save money. I even see commercials for the New Hampshire state run liquor store on TV from time to time.

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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

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    I don't think there should be laws that make a person's very presence in a country illegal (at least not in this context), so... yeah.
    So, you would abolish any and all immigration controls?

    You won't hear me defending the Puritans, who I'll say again are in fact gone from the face of the earth. I myself am a Jewish/Catholic atheist, I probably would have been kicked out back then too. However, for all their sins and religious intolerence, the Puritans theories on community and governance shaped the political structure of this state, and eventually its constitution, which the national constitution draws on heavily.
    Puritan theories of governance? I believe that would be English theories of governance that influence the Puritans and later on the U.S. Constitution. Most of those theories pre-date the Puritans. When the Puritans had a chance to govern England, they set up a military dictatorship -- hardly the model given in the U.S. Constitution.

    Something we can agree on.
    Oh, I am sure there is much more we can agree on -- like hatred for the Yankees, Canadiens and Lakers...

    I don't know how many people have moved to New Hampshire over the last ten years, probably not as many as you're implying. However, there are plenty of reasons. For all of the things I love about Massachusetts it is very developed, there isn't a lot of nature easily accessible, and the skiing is laughable. I can certainly see people, perhaps retirees, moving up there to escape the hecticness of city life and live somewhere with the same sensibilities, but more trees and less cars.
    According to my Mom, who still lives there, quite a lot -- though fortunately for my family, mostly in border commuities like Nashua and Exeter.

    I actually like the fact that NH is very livable and prosperous at the same time. It is much more laid back and relaxed with the trees, great education, and good paying jobs.

    As for the shopping, people go there because your state specifically designed laws to make goods in New Hampshire cheaper for citizens of Massachusetts to encourage this so they could make money off it. People tend to go out of their way to save money. I even see commercials for the New Hampshire state run liquor store on TV from time to time.
    You actually think the government of the State of New Hampshire DELIBERATELY makes things less expensive specifically for citizens of Massachusetts? Are you implying that people from Mass pay LESS for things in NH than citizens of the Granite State do? Please don't tell me you beleive that. It is a result of more sensible taxation policies by the state of NH.
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    Re: Boston councilors OK resolution to boycott Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Conservatives: Supporters of state and local power, except when it disagrees with them.
    Liberals: Those who can't distinguish between saying something is a bad idea and making a move to stop a state or local government from doing it.

    Why shouldn't Boston be able to do what they want in this case?
    They're more than free to do it. And I am more than free to decide to support Arizona by vacationing there this year instead of Boston, refusing to fly through Boston's airports, or do business with Boston based companies.

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    So, you would abolish any and all immigration controls?
    I wouldn't say that precisely. Obviously for actual security reasons people should be checked when entering the country for things like weapons or bombs, but I do favor a much much less strict immigration policy. We should be flattered that people want to live here, and remember that America was founded and made great by immigrants.

    Puritan theories of governance? I believe that would be English theories of governance that influence the Puritans and later on the U.S. Constitution. Most of those theories pre-date the Puritans. When the Puritans had a chance to govern England, they set up a military dictatorship -- hardly the model given in the U.S. Constitution.
    Not true. All you have to do is look at the UK's recent election and what is happening there to see that we really haven't inherited much political tradition from Britian. The Puritans who governed England for a short period (and I'm drawing on a hazy memory of high school euro history here) didn't have much to do with the ones that decided to come to the New World. When the Puritans designed the government of their colony they actually broke the mold quite a bit, and started the tradition of elected governors in the colonies even well before the revolution.

    It's a well documented fact that the Massachusetts constitution (the oldest constitution in the world) provides much of the framework for the American constitution. People around here think it's still better.

    Oh, I am sure there is much more we can agree on -- like hatred for the Yankees, Canadiens and Lakers...
    Indeed.

    According to my Mom, who still lives there, quite a lot -- though fortunately for my family, mostly in border commuities like Nashua and Exeter.

    I actually like the fact that NH is very livable and prosperous at the same time. It is much more laid back and relaxed with the trees, great education, and good paying jobs.
    You're right, although New Hampshire is personally a little too conservative for me, it is a great state and I didn't mean to bash it. I know that for myself I need to live in a city to be happy, which makes the ultra-developed Massachusetts perfect for me, but New Hampshire and all northern New England is stunning.

    You actually think the government of the State of New Hampshire DELIBERATELY makes things less expensive specifically for citizens of Massachusetts? Are you implying that people from Mass pay LESS for things in NH than citizens of the Granite State do? Please don't tell me you beleive that. It is a result of more sensible taxation policies by the state of NH.
    No, I just meant that citizens of Mass have to spend less than they would here, not less than NH citizens. That would be rediculous.

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