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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You will blame literally everything on the government wont you? It's raining outside, GOVERNMENT DID IT.
    Replace the word "GOVERNMENT" with "BUSH" and go back in history 2 or 3 years... de ja vu. Why so surprised when the tables are turned?

    But hey, if this really IS good news, I'll take any I can get. Unless we stop spending, it's all a temporary feel good measure anyway. Kinda like getting those regular injections of morphine be being told your pain will increase and you'll be dead in 48 hours... the morphine's a welcome respite.
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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Replace the word "GOVERNMENT" with "BUSH" and go back in history 2 or 3 years... de ja vu. Why so surprised when the tables are turned?

    But hey, if this really IS good news, I'll take any I can get. Unless we stop spending, it's all a temporary feel good measure anyway. Kinda like getting those regular injections of morphine be being told your pain will increase and you'll be dead in 48 hours... the morphine's a welcome respite.
    Isn't it amazing, Bush was responsible for everything that happened during his 8 years and is still responsible for everything happening now during the first two years of Obama? Not sure exactly what Obama did in the Senate but I do know what he is doing now as President, not a lot of difference. He blamed Bush then and still blames Bush. Obama remains in campaign mode which just goes to show he has zero leadership skills.

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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    8 million people lost their jobs and all we're supposed to get pumped because a little more than a quarter-of-a-million jobs have been created? I think I'll save my energy for some really encouraging news.
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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Isn't it amazing, Bush was responsible for everything that happened during his 8 years and is still responsible for everything happening now during the first two years of Obama? Not sure exactly what Obama did in the Senate but I do know what he is doing now as President, not a lot of difference. He blamed Bush then and still blames Bush. Obama remains in campaign mode which just goes to show he has zero leadership skills.
    In any event, Bush is responsible for whatever he is responsible for.
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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    Watching some of you squirm about your jobs amuses me since in my industry the ax is always above your neck 24/7.
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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    8 million people lost their jobs and all we're supposed to get pumped because a little more than a quarter-of-a-million jobs have been created? I think I'll save my energy for some really encouraging news.
    and many of those temporary census jobs.

    the economy is going to improve this year. in spite of Washington, not because of it.

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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %



    You conservative ideologues - all of you -

    What do you Think (its a rhetorical question, I know that none of you actually think)?!! That a recovery is going to start and instantly all the jobs that were lost for 2 + years are going to come back in a month or two?

    You're minds are going to explode if the recovery of the labor market picks up even more steam. I know, I know, it sucks to have a recovery starting to have a truly positive effect on the middle class just as we approach the midterm elections, but, them's the breaks, you know. I don't know what to say. Does "I'm sorry for your loss" fit? When you say your prayers at night, do you ask God to remember his good Christian Republicans and to make sure that the Greek meltdown affects the United States until at least October 31st?

    ... "nonfarm payroll employment
    has expanded by 573,000, with 483,000 jobs added in the private sector. The vast majority of job growth occurred during the last 2 months."
    ~85% of the new jobs created are in the private sector. YAY! Employers are starting to see opportunity to make money, and hiring workers to do it for them.

    Here is the jobs summary from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
    In April, nonfarm payroll employment rose by 290,000. Sizable employment gains oc-
    curred in manufacturing, professional and business services, health care, and in
    leisure and hospitality. Federal government employment increased due to the hiring
    of temporary workers for Census 2010. Since December, nonfarm payroll employment
    has expanded by 573,000, with 483,000 jobs added in the private sector. The vast
    majority of job growth occurred during the last 2 months. (See table B-1.)

    Manufacturing added 44,000 jobs in April. Since December, factory employment has
    risen by 101,000. Over the month, gains occurred in several durable goods indus-
    tries, including fabricated metals (9,000) and machinery (7,000). Employment also
    grew in nondurable goods manufacturing (14,000).

    Mining added 7,000 jobs in April, with most of the increase in support activities
    for mining. Since last October, mining has added 39,000 jobs.

    In April, construction employment edged up (14,000), following an increase of 26,000
    in March. Over the month, nonresidential building and heavy construction added 9,000
    jobs each.

    Employment in professional and business services rose by 80,000 in April. Temporary
    help services continued to add jobs (26,000); employment in this industry has in-
    creased by 330,000 since September 2009. Employment also rose over the month in ser-
    vices to buildings and dwellings (23,000) and in computer systems design (7,000).

    In April, health care employment grew by 20,000, including a gain of 6,000 in hospi-
    tals. Over the past year, health care employment has increased by 244,000.

    Employment rose by 45,000 in leisure and hospitality over the month. Much of this
    increase occurred in accommodation and food services, which added 29,000 jobs. Food
    services employment has risen by 84,000 over the past 4 months, while accommodation
    has added 18,000 jobs over the past 3 months.

    Federal government employment was up in April, reflecting the hiring of 66,000 tem-
    porary workers for the decennial census.

    Over the month, employment changed little in wholesale trade, retail trade, informa-
    tion, and financial activities.

    Employment in transportation and warehousing fell by 20,000 in April, reflecting a
    large decline in courier and messenger services.

    In April, the average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls increased
    by 0.1 hour to 34.1 hours. The manufacturing workweek for all employees increased by
    0.2 hour for the second straight month to 40.1 hours, and factory overtime was up by
    0.1 hour over the month. The average workweek for production and nonsupervisory em-
    ployees on private nonfarm payrolls increased by 0.1 hour to 33.4 hours in April.
    (See tables B-2 and B-7.)

    Average hourly earnings of all employees in the private nonfarm sector increased by
    1 cent to $22.47 in April. Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have in-
    creased by 1.6 percent. In April, average hourly earnings of private-sector production
    and nonsupervisory employees increased by 5 cents to $18.96. (See tables B-3 and B-8.)

    The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for February was revised from -14,000
    to +39,000, and the change for March was revised from 162,000 to 230,000.

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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post


    You conservative ideologues - all of you -

    What do you Think (its a rhetorical question, I know that none of you actually think)?!! That a recovery is going to start and instantly all the jobs that were lost for 2 + years are going to come back in a month or two?

    You're minds are going to explode if the recovery of the labor market picks up even more steam. I know, I know, it sucks to have a recovery starting to have a truly positive effect on the middle class just as we approach the midterm elections, but, them's the breaks, you know. I don't know what to say. Does "I'm sorry for your loss" fit? When you say your prayers at night, do you ask God to remember his good Christian Republicans and to make sure that the Greek meltdown affects the United States until at least October 31st?

    ~85% of the new jobs created are in the private sector. YAY! Employers are starting to see opportunity to make money, and hiring workers to do it for them.

    Here is the jobs summary from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
    Does it bother you that we again have over 15 million unemployed people and over 1.2 million discouraged workers?

    When Obama signed the stimulus plan and proposed spending 842 billion dollars what were your expectations? Don't you think spending that amount of money should have generated better results than we are seeing? When is enough enough for a liberal?

    1 1/2 years into the Obama Administration we have greater unemployment, greater growth in govt., continuing growth in our debt, and a President who refuses to take responsibility but instead remains in campaign mode blaming everyone else for his own failures.

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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

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    Does it bother you that we again have over 15 million unemployed people and over 1.2 million discouraged workers?
    Yes, but I have no expectation that those jobs are going to come back overnight. It is precisely because of those people that I am glad to see the job market moving in a new direction. That's where getting those people relief starts.
    When Obama signed the stimulus plan and proposed spending 842 billion dollars what were your expectations? Don't you think spending that amount of money should have generated better results than we are seeing? When is enough enough for a liberal?
    I expected about what has happened. I believe that we were headed for the Great Depression all over again, or worse, and that has been avoided. I believe that the government spending in bailouts and stimulus are the reasons it was avoided. I also agree that we were between a rock and a hard place, with regard to deficit spending and rising debt: We had no choice to make it all worse, but why were we in that position in the first place? Why were we fighting a war that was causing us to deficit spend? Was that war justified? If you're a Republican, you have to say 'yes', I know. I just disagree, and I think the stimulus spending was FAR more justified, worthwhile, and has had more valuable results.

    As for expecting more from that amount of stimulus: Yes, I think there are better ways it might have been used to stimulate the economy, but they would have been politically unfeasible. For example, I think we could have simply given a one time windfall to the poorest Americans. Anyone who would have had to spend the money right away, rather than save it. I believe this would have stimulated private enterprise to meet the more robust demand from that sector, and the good effects would have rippled through the economy. But, can you imagine the outrage, the cries of socialism! Well we already have that, but they would have been even more shrill.

    1 1/2 years into the Obama Administration we have greater unemployment, greater growth in govt., continuing growth in our debt <snip silly blame game partisan hackery stuff>
    So, if McCain (or any other Republican) had been elected, you think that the massive increases in unemployed each month would have stopped at the end of January 2009? Or do you concede that they would have naturally continued on for a while afterward? How many jobs do you think would have been created in the last six months, exactly?

    I contend that it would have been about the exact same amount. The reason I believe this is because, quite frankly, I think that any Republican would have followed nearly the same policies as Obama has; because most Republican politicians understand what really works, even if their followers don't. Bush certainly showed that he understood bubble economics, in the end. With the election of Obama, however, they get to pretend that they share their followers' simplistic thinking on the matter and bash Obama for doing what they would have been forced to do themselves.

    And by the way, while I don't blame Obama for our current job situation, I likewise don't blame Bush. Err at least not just Bush. Several administrations have caused the environment that set us up for this catastrophe. However, that said, I do think a Democrat is far more likely to do what is necessary, Now, to try and prevent the situation in the future.

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    Re: US Jobs Up 290,000, but Jobless Rate Rises to 9.9 %

    Dezaad;1058737045]Yes, but I have no expectation that those jobs are going to come back overnight. It is precisely because of those people that I am glad to see the job market moving in a new direction. That's where getting those people relief starts.
    It has been 1 1/2 years since the stimulus was signed into law and only 1/3 of it has been spent. Obama lied to the American people and his supporters give him a pass.

    there is no question that a stimulus was needed but not this Democrat constituent bailout bill and slush fund.

    I expected about what has happened. I believe that we were headed for the Great Depression all over again, or worse, and that has been avoided. I believe that the government spending in bailouts and stimulus are the reasons it was avoided. I also agree that we were between a rock and a hard place, with regard to deficit spending and rising debt: We had no choice to make it all worse, but why were we in that position in the first place? Why were we fighting a war that was causing us to deficit spend? Was that war justified? If you're a Republican, you have to say 'yes', I know. I just disagree, and I think the stimulus spending was FAR more justified, worthwhile, and has had more valuable results.
    That is a biased, partisan point of view that is naive at best. Not many other than the true diehard Obama supporters expected so little from so much. You bought the rhetoric and continue to buy the rhetoric. We weren't headed for a depression as TARP prevented that. The Stimulus did nothing but stimulate debt, massive growth of govt., and create a liberal slush fund.

    We had a lot of choice, Obama lied to the American people, it is that simple. A true stimulus plan would have been short term, targeted, and provided immediate benefit to the American people. None of that occurred.

    As for expecting more from that amount of stimulus: Yes, I think there are better ways it might have been used to stimulate the economy, but they would have been politically unfeasible. For example, I think we could have simply given a one time windfall to the poorest Americans. Anyone who would have had to spend the money right away, rather than save it. I believe this would have stimulated private enterprise to meet the more robust demand from that sector, and the good effects would have rippled through the economy. But, can you imagine the outrage, the cries of socialism! Well we already have that, but they would have been even more shrill.
    There you go again, thinking with your heart and not your brain. The poor don't create jobs, the middle class do. The poor don't pay any taxes now, the middle class do. Giving tax cuts to the taxpayers would put that money into circulation right now and a rate cut would have continued on for years. Happens every time. As it is we are actually worse off today than we were when the stimulus passed, almost 3 trillion more in debt.

    So, if McCain (or any other Republican) had been elected, you think that the massive increases in unemployed each month would have stopped at the end of January 2009? Or do you concede that they would have naturally continued on for a while afterward? How many jobs do you think would have been created in the last six months, exactly?
    I believe had McCain signed the 842 billion stimulus plan it would have been structured differently and more than a third would have been spent.

    There is no question that unemployment is a lagging indicator but nothing Obama has done really promoted job growth anywhere but the govt, and all that does is increase debt. Any revenue generated by a govt. employee is offset by the taxes that have to be paid to support that govt. employee.

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    contend that it would have been about the exact same amount. The reason I believe this is because, quite frankly, I think that any Republican would have followed nearly the same policies as Obama has; because most Republican politicians understand what really works, even if their followers don't. Bush certainly showed that he understood bubble economics, in the end. With the election of Obama, however, they get to pretend that they share their followers' simplistic thinking on the matter and bash Obama for doing what they would have been forced to do themselves.
    Do you even know what you wrote? You don't know that Republicans would have followed the same policies as Obama. Aside from a necessary stimulus plan, Obama did the exact opposite of Reagan and GW Bush and got the similar liberal economic results, basically nothing positive.

    And by the way, while I don't blame Obama for our current job situation, I likewise don't blame Bush. Err at least not just Bush. Several administrations have caused the environment that set us up for this catastrophe. However, that said, I do think a Democrat is far more likely to do what is necessary, Now, to try and prevent the situation in the future.
    What the Democrats have done is what they always do, promote massive growth in govt. which totally ignores the foundation upon which this country was built. History shows that govt. isn't the answer because govt. is the problem. Politicians are more interested in keeping their job instead of doing their job.

    The growth in govt. is unsustainable as we are seeing in Greece, Italy, Spain, and all those European socialist models that Obama envisions this country should be.

    Seems to me that you really don't understand the role of govt and the role of private industry in our economy. I suggest you take a history, civics, and economics course to find out how wrong you really are.

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