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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    boilogical sexual reaction remains constant despite what an individual claims to find sexually arousing.
    So, if the only purpose for sperm is for procreation, do you believe in sex only for the purposes of procreation?

    Actually, sperm has chemical qualities that may increase female bonding to a male partner and is mood-altering to females when absorbed by the cellular layer of the vagina. It might also be mood-altering to men when swallowed or absorbed in other ways because it has high levels of melatonin, testosterone, and progesterone.

    We don't know exactly what the role of sperm is, but it's more than procreation.

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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Sigh. You are forgetting your own argument. You demanded evidence for genetic heterosexuality. (as silly as that is) and I provided it.
    I was just wondering if scientists had discovered a heterosexual gene. I really did not care what the answer was because to me it is not that important

    Waiting for you to prove genetic homosexuality
    I really don't care about it. Some people are born gay some people have an inclination to lean that way and some are just horny. And it occurs in nature.

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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

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    Your comments STILL do not prove that heterosexuality is NOT a choice and homosexuality is. You lose boy.
    See you have no argument which is why you are getting frustrated. I understand.

    Whether something is natural or not, has no bearing by default on whether it is genetic or not. Again, you lose.
    So you are going to claim that a sexual reaction and your body's reaction to it isn't genetic? LOL Are you really that far out there?

    I'm going to love it when gay marriage is legalized and people like you are going to have to deal with it. What are you going to do, cry?
    Absolutely not.
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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, if the only purpose for sperm is for procreation, do you believe in sex only for the purposes of procreation?
    Absolutely not but I recognize the reaction and its genetic link to heterosexual sex.

    Actually, sperm has chemical qualities that may increase female bonding to a male partner and is mood-altering to females when absorbed by the cellular layer of the vagina. It might also be mood-altering to men when swallowed or absorbed in other ways because it has high levels of melatonin, testosterone, and progesterone.

    We don't know exactly what the role of sperm is, but it's more than procreation.
    LOL You are only making my argument stronger.
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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I was just wondering if scientists had discovered a heterosexual gene. I really did not care what the answer was because to me it is not that important
    The reaction and the fact 95% of the people living on this planet kind of makes that point

    I really don't care about it. Some people are born gay some people have an inclination to lean that way and some are just horny. And it occurs in nature.
    Yet you have zero evidence to support your "born gay" theory. And thats the point.
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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Its been fun kids. But since none of you can argue a different biological sexual reaction in homosexuals vs heterosexuals and you cannot deny heterosexual sex is the only natural way to procreate, my point has been made.

    Have a good day
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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yet you have zero evidence to support your "born gay" theory. And thats the point.
    Inconclusive evidence, but not 0 evidence. You have just as little evidence to support your "choice" theory.

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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    The reaction and the fact 95% of the people living on this planet kind of makes that point
    95% of people on this planet what? Aren't gay? What do numbers mean with genetics?

    98-99% of the people on this planet do not have red hair? Does that mean red hair is not caused through biology and genetics?

    Think carefully about this.
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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Its been fun kids. But since none of you can argue a different biological sexual reaction in homosexuals vs heterosexuals and you cannot deny heterosexual sex is the only natural way to procreate, my point has been made.

    Have a good day
    Actually, I have an argument that I bet you have not even considered. I've stated it on this forum before and it is well supported by evidence, unlike your teleological supposition. To understand it though, you have understand the flaws in the old argument's reasoning.

    There are three fundamental theories that society holds regarding sexual orientation.

    1. It's a choice and it is changeable.

    This theory has a fundamental weakness in that it assumes anyone could choose to be gay or straight. The reality is that it is unlikely that heterosexual people are likely find the same sex attractive romantically and sexually the way that they find the opposite sex attractive. It also ignore significant evidence of biological factors involved in sexual orientation.

    2. People are born gay and it is not changeable.

    This theory has a fundamental flaw in that no determining biological factor has been found that results in sexual orientation. There are identical twins where one twin is straight and the other is gay. If homosexuality were genetic, then both would be the same orientation. Nonetheless, there is strong evidence that if one twin is gay, that other will be significantly more likely to turn out gay even if raised by a different family.
    This theory also suggests that uterine factors such as the hormone levels a child is exposed to while in the womb could activate certain genetic factors that would otherwise remain dormant. That would explain why one identical twin could end up gay while the other did not. Simply one would have been exposed to more hormone than the other. However, studies of children who were exposed of high levels of androgens do not demonstrate a significant increase or decrease in the number who turned out gay.

    3. It's an addiction and it is changeable with help.

    This is the evolved social conservative view. People may have a biological predisposition to be attracted to the same sex, but they have the choice to orient their behavior away from it rather than toward it. In this view homosexuality is seen as a learned behavior that has been positively reinforced through orgasm and has thus become addictive so that only sex with a same sex partner can be satisfying. With this view, biological predispositions to homosexuality can be accepted much in the same way that biological predispositions to alcohol can be accepted. In other words, they can override their natural tendencies by choosing not to engage in a certain behavior.
    The flaw to this argument is that sexual orientation seems to be set in most people before they even reach puberty and begin engaging in overt sexual behavior.

    An emerging argument, "Sexual orientation is simply an orientation of sexual behavior." (can and should be changed)

    This argument is that since people often choose to identify themselves by how they orient their behaviors, that homosexuality is no different. For example, if you are a vegetarian, then you identify yourself as one because you refuse to eat meat even if your instinct is to eat meat. As such, some people think that homosexual people are gay because they identify as gay and orient their sexual behavior towards people of the same sex. In essence, it is circular reasoning. Gay people are gay because they choose to have sex with people of the same sex and by having sex with people of the same sex they become gay.

    A new theory of sexual orientation, "Personality selects for sexual orientation." (can be temporarily adjusted but cannot be permanently changed and should not be changed)

    I'm beginning to believe that it is a person's identity, by which I mean their distinct personality, that selects for their sexual orientation. That would most likely occur in early childhood, before a person is even aware of their sexuality. This is subsequently discovered during adolescence as an individual becomes aware of their personality and undergoes the sexual awakening of puberty.

    People are most likely not born gay, they develop their sexual orientation alongside, and as part of, their personality. I think a person's personality in combination with their early experiences, select for sexual orientation in early childhood. In other words, I am rejecting the notion that people are born gay just as they might be born with a certain temperament. There is no evidence that I have found to support the notion that sexual orientation has a consistent biological link. Rather, all the evidence suggests that sexual orientation is the result of a combination of biological and psychosocial factors in early childhood, exactly like how our personalities develop.

    Being gay or straight may just be as much an aspect of a person's distinct personality as being introverted or extroverted.
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    Re: Bishop says kids ‘spontaneously’ gay and pedos

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Absolutely not but I recognize the reaction and its genetic link to heterosexual sex.

    LOL You are only making my argument stronger.
    You don't have an argument. You have a soapbox with zero correlation to evidence.

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