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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I have no idea what June 28th is but somehow I find it unlikely anyone would throw a hissy fit over an American flag being worn on that day in America either.
    June 28, Stonewall riots.

    That's where we disagree. The side that has a problem with the American flag being displayed within the borders of AMERICA for any reason whatsoever is the one that needs to sit down and STFU or find themselves on a bus home.
    Let me preface this by saying I don't know what those boys were thinking, what their motive were. However, regarding "American flag being displayed within the borders of AMERICA for any reason"...



    Here they are mocking the American flag, wearing it upside down. I think we both agree this is a bad reason.



    Here the Prop 8 group is trying to associate their cause with patriotism and what they believe American should represent.



    Here again, Prop 8 people believe their cause is somehow associated with all things American.

    I would NEVER begin to show the kind of arrogance it takes to go into a country's sovereign borders and make a complaint about the display of their flag by any of their citizens for any reason.
    I don't believe those complaining about the boys were VISITORS. According to the story they were citizens.

    I don't believe the simple displaying or waving of the American flag justifies the motives/message of the wavers or wearers.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    June 28, Stonewall riots.



    Let me preface this by saying I don't know what those boys were thinking, what their motive were. However, regarding "American flag being displayed within the borders of AMERICA for any reason"...



    Here they are mocking the American flag, wearing it upside down. I think we both agree this is a bad reason.



    Here the Prop 8 group is trying to associate their cause with patriotism and what they believe American should represent.



    Here again, Prop 8 people believe their cause is somehow associated with all things American.



    I don't believe those complaining about the boys were VISITORS. According to the story they were citizens.

    I don't believe the simple displaying or waving of the American flag justifies the motives/message of the wavers or wearers.


    The Flag is not what is offensive here, nor is it antagonistic, its the assholes here whom you are dishonestly comparing to Patriotic American kids



    It's a shameful dishonest tactic.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The Flag is not what is offensive here, nor is it antagonistic, its the assholes here whom you are dishonestly comparing to Patriotic American kids
    a) Exactly -- it's NOT the flag itself that is offensive...

    b) I don't know what the kids are. What makes them Patriotic Americans?

    Because you acknowledged that those in the pictures are assholes, then you must agree that holding/wearing a flag does not necessarily make you a Patriot or representative of American ideals.

    Correct?

    So, just because these boys coordinated their dress on a certain day with U.S. flag bandanas and t-shirts, what makes them Patriots?

    I would like the boys to finish this sentence: When we coordinated our dress with U.S. flag bandannas and t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo the point/statement we were trying to make was...


    It's a shameful dishonest tactic.
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    You be honest and read my full post. I stated I don't know what the boys were thinking and I used the pictures to illustrate the point that not those holding/displaying the flag were doing so with pure, perfect, patriotic motives.

    If we can agree that the flag represents something special, an idea that is bigger than all of us, then those holding it or wearing it should be representative of those ideas in some way... and not using the flag to represent an idea or cause that is un-American.

    Can we agree on that?

    If so, then it is a legitimate question to ask: What are you trying to say by wearing those t-shirts on this day?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    As an American, if I want to wear a US flag colored shirt, then I will. I don't care if it's Cinco de Mayo, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa or whatever foreign country holiday is. Celebrate it in your own private way and don't worry about what colors Americans are wearing.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    a) Exactly -- it's NOT the flag itself that is offensive...

    b) I don't know what the kids are. What makes them Patriotic Americans?

    Because you acknowledged that those in the pictures are assholes, then you must agree that holding/wearing a flag does not necessarily make you a Patriot or representative of American ideals.

    Correct?

    So, just because these boys coordinated their dress on a certain day with U.S. flag bandanas and t-shirts, what makes them Patriots?

    I would like the boys to finish this sentence: When we coordinated our dress with U.S. flag bandannas and t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo the point/statement we were trying to make was...

    Read the article. I'm sorry you missed thier interviews where they simply where showing pride in thier nation...


    They weren't racists, bigots, or anything else you have dishonestly tried to link them to.. they were kids, wearing patriotic colors.


    And were sent home, because apparently the USA is offensive on fake mexicamerican corona y limon day.





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    You be honest and read my full post. I stated I don't know what the boys were thinking and I used the pictures to illustrate the point that not those holding/displaying the flag were doing so with pure, perfect, patriotic motives.

    If we can agree that the flag represents something special, an idea that is bigger than all of us, then those holding it or wearing it should be representative of those ideas in some way... and not using the flag to represent an idea or cause that is un-American.

    Can we agree on that?

    If so, then it is a legitimate question to ask: What are you trying to say by wearing those t-shirts on this day?


    That I am an effing American and damn proud of it. Nothing more, nothing less. No where did they say they were offended by the mexican flag, they just chose to represent the USA. There is nothing anyone has a right to be offended by, especially here in this country.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by bryann380 View Post
    As an American, if I want to wear a US flag colored shirt, then I will. I don't care if it's Cinco de Mayo, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa or whatever foreign country holiday is. Celebrate it in your own private way and don't worry about what colors Americans are wearing.



    Kwanzaa is a made up afro-american holiday made up by Americans....


    hannukah is a religious holiday and is no more "foreign" than is Christmas....
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If we can agree that the flag represents something special, an idea that is bigger than all of us, then those holding it or wearing it should be representative of those ideas in some way... and not using the flag to represent an idea or cause that is un-American.

    Can we agree on that?

    If so, then it is a legitimate question to ask: What are you trying to say by wearing those t-shirts on this day?
    I am pretty sure the kids were saying that despite this being Corona y Limon Day, this is still America so remember that.

    I don't see anything un-American about that.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Read the article. I'm sorry you missed thier interviews where they simply where showing pride in thier nation...
    I'm making an honest attempt to have a discussion with you. I've read your article and a couple others looking for the answer. The boys and their parents say very little. "showing their pride in the their nation..." is an answer anyone carrying/wearing the flag could give. And we agree that is not always the case.

    So, in their own words, what statement were they trying to make by coordinating their dress on that day? That's what I'm asking.


    They weren't racists, bigots, or anything else you have dishonestly tried to link them to.. they were kids, wearing patriotic colors.
    Is it possible? Answer that. It is possible that these boys resent some of the Mexican-American students at their school for some reason? Then speculating on their motives is not dishonest at all.

    And were sent home, because apparently the USA is offensive on fake mexicamerican corona y limon day.
    I agree with the school districts position. Sending them home was overzealous and a bad call on the part of the principal.


    That I am an effing American and damn proud of it. Nothing more, nothing less. No where did they say they were offended by the mexican flag, they just chose to represent the USA. There is nothing anyone has a right to be offended by, especially here in this country.
    Now, we're getting somewhere. And, in fairness, like me you are just speculating as to their motives. If their answer is they just 'chose to represent the USA', then I would ask: Why on that day? What is it about Cinco de Mayo and/or how the Mexican-American student celebrate their heritage that compelled you to represent the USA?
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