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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Back to the point I'm trying to make. I don't think anyone has a problem with the American flag be waved, worn, or displayed by patriots. It's not the flag itself that people are objecting to.

    But putting the bandannas and t-shirts in the context of story--what were those boys trying to say to the Mexican-American students on that day?

    That is a legitimate question: Why did you boys choose that day to all wear the same bandanas and t-shirts? What 'statement', if you will, were they trying to make?
    The point is, it doesn't MATTER why. They are allowed, in that school, to wear clothing adorned with the flag. Any day of the year. If one student, or even a group of students, doesn't like that, it doesn't matter. That'd be like saying that it's okay to send the students home for wearing a Redskins T-shirt because some Cowboys fans might get irked. It's ridiculous. Either they're allowed to wear the clothing, or they are not. In this case, it was within the rules of the school to wear said clothing. Period.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Being purposefully obtuse seems like your forte, doesn't it? Clearly there is a possibility that the kids were all wearing these t-shirts to incite the students celebrating Cinco de Mayo (which is, I must point out, a bona fide holiday in the USA and and the Mexican state of Puebla).
    Doesn't matter why they wore them. It is irrelevant.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Doesn't matter why they wore them. It is irrelevant.
    Now you're just being disingenuous. A school administrator has a duty to prevent violence from taking place in the school. In short, why the wore them is the only thing that matters.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Now you're just being disingenuous. A school administrator has a duty to prevent violence from taking place in the school. In short, why the wore them is the only thing that matters.
    No, it isn't what matters in the slightest. Not even a little bit. If some students get pissy about the flag, then THEY get sent home.

    Like I said, if a student wears a black t-shirt because they think the color black will piss off some group of kids, should they be sent home? Of course not. If a student wears a Redskins tshirt knowing that it will piss off a group of Cowboys fan, should they be sent home? Of course not. To suggest so is ridiculous.

    If a student gets pissed off/potentially violent at something another student is wearing, then the pissed off student should be sent home.

    It's not the principal's job to walk around making sure no one's wittle feelings are bothered by the colors on someone's clothing.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It's not the principal's job to walk around making sure no one's wittle feelings are bothered by the colors on someone's clothing.
    That is precisely what the principal's job is! This is a high school for crying out loud. Your example with the football jersey just goes to bolster my point. If a kid is walking around in a shirt that is going to provoke a fight, the administrator has a duty to stop it by whatever means they decide are necessary. You don't know much about how school children behave, do you?
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Being purposefully obtuse seems like your forte, doesn't it?
    Another useless observation from the illiterate gallery. Imagine that.

    Clearly there is a possibility that the kids were all wearing these t-shirts to incite the students celebrating Cinco de Mayo (which is, I must point out, a bona fide holiday in the USA and and the Mexican state of Puebla).
    Yeah, it's a bona fide holiday in the way St Patrick's Day is. And if students are incited by the flag, they shouldn't be in America and are invited, emphatically, to return to their countries of origin.

    Certainly wearing a flag t-shirt is not in and of itself incendiary (unless you're doing it in front of somebody who actually understands flag code, which, as this thread indicates, seems a very small minority of people indeed).
    Yes, and you cannot count yourself among those who understand the flag code because it is obvious that you don't.

    But it could very well be that this t-shirts couple with taunts and such could very well be apt to provoke a fight. Were such taunts and incitements going on?
    Article made no mention of "taunts" so until there is evidence of such, it cannot be entered into this discussion as a prosecution of these boys. How about you try something new on in this thread; traffic in facts only instead of your wild interpretations.

    I have no idea, but if they were, any school administrator is perfectly justified in doing whatever needs to be done to remedy the situation, and it is not for us to second guess.
    So then stop second guessing. If you find evidence that there was some form of incitement occurring here, we can revisit the topic.

    It could also be that the kids are perfectly innocent and the administrator was in the wrong. It doesn't seem likely, in all honesty, but it is possible. If so, then the parents should have brought it up at the next PTA meeting, not go straight to Fox News and try to turn their kids into martyrs.
    No one died here. There are no martyrs. But I am glad they brought attention to the insolence and derision toward America that a couple little chicano kids and a chicano principal have been raised with while living in this country.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That is precisely what the principal's job is! This is a high school for crying out loud. Your example with the football jersey just goes to bolster my point. If a kid is walking around in a shirt that is going to provoke a fight, the administrator has a duty to stop it by whatever means they decide are necessary. You don't know much about how school children behave, do you?
    Oh please. So seriously, you think the principal should know what students like what ball teams and which ones get pissy about what and then deny specific students the right to wear certain clothing while allowing others to wear it?

    ****ing seriously?

    Give me a ****ing break. If a group of students is likely to become violent for some reason, then it's the principal's job to rid the school of the violent students.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    They don't have to have a reason nor should they bar themselves from making a patriotic gesture just because of or inspite of a fake mexican holiday.
    You're right. If that was first t-shirt they grabbed out of the drawer and it wasn't planned.

    Re: the fake holiday.

    All holidays develop over time and take on a life/meaning of their own. Mocking or belittling them can be seen as intolerance.

    For instance, June 28. In New York City and around the country that day is celebrated with parades. I would never mock or belittle those celebrating the importance of that day.


    It's the Mexicans who should sit down and STFU on this one.
    With this particular story, I don't think either side should sit down or STFU.

    As a Californian, if there are students at that school whose parents don't pay income tax, then I have a big problem with that.

    However, given the current climate on immigration, I can understand why Mexican-Americans may have some legitimate concerns.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes, and you cannot count yourself among those who understand the flag code because it is obvious that you don't.
    Well, now you're just projecting. What's it like being so painfully transparent? I urge you to take some time out of your busy schedule of shooting your mouth off about things you don't understand to actually read the Flag Code in its entirety, or at least consult some authority on the matter.

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    martyr - a person who seeks sympathy or attention by feigning or exaggerating pain, deprivation, etc.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, now you're just projecting. What's it like being so painfully transparent?
    What's it like never having anything appropriate to say in a thread?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Oh please. So seriously, you think the principal should know what students like what ball teams and which ones get pissy about what and then deny specific students the right to wear certain clothing while allowing others to wear it?
    If that certain clothing is likely to start a fight, then yes, exactly that. Any principal would be remiss to do otherwise. Geez, I really hope you're not an educator...

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    If a group of students is likely to become violent for some reason, then it's the principal's job to rid the school of the violent students.
    So you mean, the principal should do exactly what this principal did in this situation? Way to hoist yourself on your own petard, rat.

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