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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    The overly nationalists frequently express disregard for the needs and rights of individuals. I suspect, this is what is happening in some institutions such as this university, and thus the reason for the ban on nationalist symbolism, such as these shirts with American flags on them.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Let me take you on the train to simpletown..... CHOO CHOO..... Those types want all the "mud people" to go back to whence they came... I only suggested the ones offended by the stars and stripes go back, whether they are white, black, brown, or green.... the fail is and always will be. yours.
    Fair enough. Then let me be clear.

    I'm suggesting is wasn't the flag that offended them. I'm suggesting is was the persons wearing the flags.

    Here's what I'm asking:

    Why did multiple boys wear identical American flag bandanas and t-shirts on a holiday (legitimate or not) that some Mexican-Americans use to celebrate their heritage?

    Why did they choose Cinco de Mayo to express their 'American Pride'? (American Pride -- interesting choice of words)

    Would it be wise to wear a Confederate flag on Martin Luther King day?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why did multiple boys wear identical American flag bandanas and t-shirts on a holiday (legitimate or not) that some Mexican-Americans use to celebrate their heritage?

    Why did they choose Cinco de Mayo to express their 'American Pride'? (American Pride -- interesting choice of words)
    Do you know the answers to these questions hazlnut? If you do, please share. It seems to me that unless these are answered there is no reasonable basis for making up your mind either way.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Fair enough. Then let me be clear.

    I'm suggesting is wasn't the flag that offended them. I'm suggesting is was the persons wearing the flags.
    So some students are allowed to wear flags but others aren't?

    Why did multiple boys wear identical American flag bandanas and t-shirts on a holiday (legitimate or not) that some Mexican-Americans use to celebrate their heritage?
    Who gives a ****?

    Why did they choose Cinco de Mayo to express their 'American Pride'? (American Pride -- interesting choice of words)
    Who gives a ****?

    The answers to those questions are entirely irrelevant. Wearing clothing adorned with the US flag is allowed in that school. Period.

    Would it be wise to wear a Confederate flag on Martin Luther King day?
    Why not? If it's allowed in the school any other day, then it's allowed in the school period.

    If someone gets pissy about what I'm wearing, that's their issue, not mine. Their problem, not mine. If they want to make up some holiday and decide to celebrate it and then get pissy if I wear something that THEY find offensive on a holiday THEY have designated for themselves and that I couldn't give two ****s about, that's THEIR problem, not mine.

    There is not a ****ing day of the year that it's inappropriate to show patriotism. There is not a ****ing day of the year that any person in this country is being "disrespectful" by showing patriotism. The mere insinuation that there is such a day is ****ing insane.

    If people in this country have a problem with the American flag then perhaps they shouldn't be in the country that it's flown.

    Besides that, they don't have the right not to be offended. So they can just get over their offense at the stars and stripes.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Do you know the answers to these questions hazlnut? If you do, please share. It seems to me that unless these are answered there is no reasonable basis for making up your mind either way.
    I know that 3 boys wearing the same bandanas and t-shirts is not a coincidence.

    According to the parents:

    "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."
    Fair enough. But why on Cinco de Mayo at a high school with a large Mexican-American population? What specific statement were they trying to make?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I know that 3 boys wearing the same bandanas and t-shirts is not a coincidence.
    I hear you, hazlnut, and I think your instincts are probably right on the money, but as of now all I see is a discussion that is long on conjecture and short on facts.

    If the boys were inciting the other kids, that settles it. But where is the evidence? This back and forth with you and hellhound can go on forever until one of you actually provides some concrete evidence.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I know that 3 boys wearing the same bandanas and t-shirts is not a coincidence.

    According to the parents:



    Fair enough. But why on Cinco de Mayo at a high school with a large Mexican-American population? What specific statement were they trying to make?
    They don't have to have a reason nor should they bar themselves from making a patriotic gesture just because of or inspite of a fake mexican holiday.

    It's the Mexicans who should sit down and STFU on this one.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Rivrrat:

    Sorry, I haven't been following the 'school rules' part of the discussion. My daughters own that Old Navy t-shirt and have worn it to school. So, the rules you're referring to must be only in that district.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    If people in this country have a problem with the American flag then perhaps they shouldn't be in the country that it's flown.

    Besides that, they don't have the right not to be offended. So they can just get over their offense at the stars and stripes.
    Back to the point I'm trying to make. I don't think anyone has a problem with the American flag be waved, worn, or displayed by patriots. It's not the flag itself that people are objecting to.

    But putting the bandannas and t-shirts in the context of story--what were those boys trying to say to the Mexican-American students on that day?

    That is a legitimate question: Why did you boys choose that day to all wear the same bandanas and t-shirts? What 'statement', if you will, were they trying to make?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    They don't have to have a reason nor should they bar themselves from making a patriotic gesture just because of or inspite of a fake mexican holiday.
    Being purposefully obtuse seems like your forte, doesn't it? Clearly there is a possibility that the kids were all wearing these t-shirts to incite the students celebrating Cinco de Mayo (which is, I must point out, a bona fide holiday in the USA and and the Mexican state of Puebla).

    Certainly wearing a flag t-shirt is not in and of itself incendiary (unless you're doing it in front of somebody who actually understands flag code, which, as this thread indicates, seems a very small minority of people indeed). But it could very well be that this t-shirts couple with taunts and such could very well be apt to provoke a fight. Were such taunts and incitements going on? I have no idea, but if they were, any school administrator is perfectly justified in doing whatever needs to be done to remedy the situation, and it is not for us to second guess.

    It could also be that the kids are perfectly innocent and the administrator was in the wrong. It doesn't seem likely, in all honesty, but it is possible. If so, then the parents should have brought it up at the next PTA meeting, not go straight to Fox News and try to turn their kids into martyrs.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Back to the point I'm trying to make. I don't think anyone has a problem with the American flag be waved, worn, or displayed by patriots. It's not the flag itself that people are objecting to.
    Correction: an American flag, or image thereof, should never be worn by anyone who professes to be a patriot.

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