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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    When it ceases to be a separate cloth or bunting that can be flown as representation of the nation.

    In other words, if you take the fabric and hang it from a pole and it doesn't fly exactly as the flag would, then it ain't a flag. It might have flag patterns of an image of the flag on it somewhere, but unless it flies from a staff and looks exactly like this when spread out:




    it ain't a flag.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If USC Title 4 Chapter 1 8(d) and (j) don't convince you that they mean what they say they mean, then I'd argue it is you who is advancing the agenda.

    Once again, the pertinent provisions of Flag Code reads:




    If you want to violate these provisions of the Flag Code, that is your right as an American, and though I may not agree with you I will defend to the death your right to violate flag code. Just don't try telling me you're being respectful to my flag when you do, because you are not.
    I read all that. Nothing in any of that indicates that a red white and blue pattern of stars and stripes is against that code unless it has been made into an actual free standing flag.

    There is a huge difference between this:



    And this:


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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then what is it?
    It's a flag pattern or an image of a flag, but it ain't an actual flag.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.
    The emphasis should also include "The flag", as in an actual flag being used for those purposes.
    No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.
    Also, emphasis should again include "No part of the flag", as in actual flag being used in the patching/construction of such clothing.

    Advancing one's personal opinion is admirable. And it is my opinion you are broadening the scope of the intended meaning of the code.

    People have gas tanks on motorcycles looking like the flag, decals on auto's, bumper stickers and look at Evil Knievel, his clothing, motorcycle, are all these being disrespectful to the flag, or disrespectful to your opinion?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then what is it?
    It's an image, can't you see that? Take it outside and see if the wind can move it.
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    This conversation is starting to depress me. But let me see if I can't put it to rest by saying simply, Redbeard, Jallman and American you are all wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by USC Title 4 Chapter 1 Section 3
    [T]he words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.
    I will give you all the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are not deliberately attempting to evade the plain meaning of US Flag Code. But please do read it, more than once if you have to, to try to understand its meaning and apply it properly.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This conversation is starting to depress me. But let me see if I can't put it to rest by saying simply, Redbeard, Jallman and American you are all wrong.
    You can say it all you want but that doesn't make you correct. There is a difference between a flag and an flag pattern or a flag image. The code does not assert jurisdiction over red, white and blue stripes with stars unless they are actually on a flag.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You can say it all you want but that doesn't make you correct. There is a difference between a flag and an flag pattern or a flag image. The code does not assert jurisdiction over red, white and blue stripes with stars unless they are actually on a flag.
    Ok, perhaps you are just glossing over the quote box or something, so here it is normally:

    USC Title 4 Chapter 1 Section 3
    [T]he words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

    Does that help clear things up?
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Ok, perhaps you are just glossing over the quote box or something, so here it is normally:
    No, I'm not. I don't agree with your draconian interpretation and you aren't going to convince anyone here that having a flag pattern is a breach of the code.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You can say it all you want but that doesn't make you correct. There is a difference between a flag and an flag pattern or a flag image. The code does not assert jurisdiction over red, white and blue stripes with stars unless they are actually on a flag.
    There are some images I would like to enter into evidence at this point, but I'm worried about getting an infraction...

    Google "U.S. Flag thong"

    Yes, the bulk of things the flag pattern is on tells me Jall is correct.

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