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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Actually, it's not technically a flag. A flag is a freestanding banner that represents a country, organization, or heraldry.

    When you see it on clothing or in a picture, it's still just a picture of a flag and not a flag in and of itself.
    you're getting close to getting it
    that clothing you see made out of flag printed material
    well, it was made out of a flag and violates flag etiquette
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Right, technically it's a replica and thus it is governed by US Flag Code.
    No it's not. The US Flag code doesn't have any jurisdiction over the colors red, white, and blue nor does it control the images of a star and stripes. It is only when those colors and symbols are placed on a fabric to be a free standing symbol of America does the combination actually become a "flag". Otherwise, it's just an image of a flag...a picture.

    There's no way you are going to convince anyone without an agenda that a flag on a t-shirt is against the Flag codes.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No it's not. The US Flag code doesn't have any jurisdiction over the colors red, white, and blue nor does it control the images of a star and stripes. It is only when those colors and symbols are placed on a fabric to be a free standing symbol of America does the combination actually become a "flag". Otherwise, it's just an image of a flag...a picture.

    There's no way you are going to convince anyone without an agenda that a flag on a t-shirt is against the Flag codes.
    it's using the flag as a costume
    a violation of flag etiquette
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you're getting close to getting it
    No, I've already got it. A flag is a free standing cloth or bunting that is flown to denote heraldry or national representation.

    An image of a flag printed on a t-shirt is just an image of a flag. Period.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, I've already got it. A flag is a free standing cloth or bunting that is flown to denote heraldry or national representation.

    An image of a flag printed on a t-shirt is just an image of a flag. Period.
    so, in your world, the image of a flag is not a flag
    got it
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it's using the flag as a costume
    a violation of flag etiquette
    No, wrapping yourself in a flag is using a flag as a costume. Having an image of a flag is having an image of a flag, even if its on your lapel or t-shirt.

    There is no violation of flag etiquette here.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, in your world, the image of a flag is not a flag
    got it
    In reality there is a difference between something and an image of something. I don't think you do get it but thats because you have your agenda here.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    In reality there is a difference between something and an image of something. I don't think you do get it but thats because you have your agenda here.
    when does a flag pattern printed on cloth quit being a flag?
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    when does a flag pattern printed on cloth quit being a flag?
    When it ceases to be a separate cloth or bunting that can be flown as representation of the nation.

    In other words, if you take the fabric and hang it from a pole and it doesn't fly exactly as the flag would, then it ain't a flag. It might have flag patterns of an image of the flag on it somewhere, but unless it flies from a staff and looks exactly like this when spread out:



    it ain't a flag.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    In reality there is a difference between something and an image of something. I don't think you do get it but thats because you have your agenda here.
    If USC Title 4 Chapter 1 § 8(d) and (j) don't convince you that they mean what they say they mean, then I'd argue it is you who is advancing the agenda.

    Once again, the pertinent provisions of Flag Code reads:
    Quote Originally Posted by USC Title 4 Chapter 1 § 8(d)
    The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
    Quote Originally Posted by USC Title 4 Chapter 1 § 8(j)
    No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
    If you want to violate these provisions of the Flag Code, that is your right as an American, and though I may not agree with you I will defend to the death your right to violate flag code. Just don't try telling me you're being respectful to my flag when you do, because you are not.

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