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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And the US flag code only states that the flag itself cannot be used as clothing, not that the flag may not appear on clothing. The flag itself may not be used as a drape, bedding, clothing, statue cover, ceiling cover, nor should it be flown on the same staff as another banner other than a state flag. And then it should always be flown on top.

    The only things the flag is prohibited from appearing on at all are napkins, paper products, handkerchiefs, boxes or other disposable items.

    And anyone who believes this principal was trying to be adhere to an obscure code on how to handle the flag, with the most draconian interpretation of that code ever presented, then they are either agenda driven or just plain full of it.
    I agree.Anyone who thinks the flag code applies to any image of a flag should ask themselves "why do deployed troops have an American flag patch on their BDUs(I think now they are called MCCUU's,ACU's,ABU's, and NWUs depending on branch of service) if the flag code applies to any image of an American flag?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Waving an American flag doesn't make you pure. Anyone with a working arm can do it.
    And Cinco de Mayo isn't even a major holiday in Mexico. Honestly, people should stop obsessing over empty symbols. A flag is nothing more than a convenient identifier for nationality. Holidays are just excuses for people to do something they don't do all the time.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but the school indicated the kids were welcome to wear their inappropriate flag attire on any other day. which means this legitimate reason to take issue with what they were wearing was not the basis for their punishment

    what we do not know - at least i do not know - is whether the students were provocative toward the mexican-American students in ways other than the wearing of flag attire, and that was justification for the way this was (poorly) handled
    I agree with you, justabubba, and I'll readily admit that the administrator's decision does not seem to have been based on flag code whatsoever. It is really my personal axe to grind, because I think about it every time I see a flag t-shirt, this is just a high profile example.

    As for the students being provocative, I agree with you there as well. It really all hinges on that, and I honestly don't know either. So I'm withholding my judgment there.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree.Anyone who thinks the flag code applies to any image of a flag should ask themselves "why do deployed troops have an American flag patch on their BDUs(I think now they are called MCCUU's,ACU's,ABU's, and NWUs depending on branch of service) if the flag code applies to any image of an American flag?
    This is why:
    Quote Originally Posted by TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > 8 Respect for Flag
    "No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart."
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is why:
    That's an actual flag patch...meaning a miniature flag. It's not an image embroidered or screen printed on a shirt.

    Let's not go all "image of the prophet mohammed" over the american flag, mkay?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is why:
    If you notice that and rest of section 8 of the flag code they all deal with the actual flag and not a picture of a flag. This part ". However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart" does deal with patches and pins which are replicas(as pointed out by jallman)nothing about a picture of a flag on a piece of clothing.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you notice that and rest of section 8 of the flag code they all deal with the actual flag and not a picture of a flag. This part ". However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart" does deal with patches and pins which are replicas(as pointed out by jallman)nothing about a picture of a flag on a piece of clothing.
    i hear you
    it's not like that image of a flag printed on cloth is actually a flag or anything [/s]
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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    nothing about a picture of a flag on a piece of clothing.
    You're drawing a false distinction between embroidered flag patches and other replicas and a "picture of a flag on a piece of clothing." If it is a reproduction of an image of a US flag, then it is a replica, thus governed by flag code. Why do complex mental gymnastics to get around the plain meaning and rationalize bad flag handling? Why not just give the flag its proper respect?

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i hear you
    it's not like that impage of a flag printed on cloth is actually a flag or anything [/s]
    Actually, it's not technically a flag. A flag is a freestanding banner that represents a country, organization, or heraldry.

    When you see it on clothing or in a picture, it's still just a picture of a flag and not a flag in and of itself.

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    Re: Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    When you see it on clothing or in a picture, it's still just a picture of a flag and not a flag in and of itself.
    Right, technically it's a replica and thus it is governed by US Flag Code.

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