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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You mean they have advanced a few centuries?
    I'll believe that when I see it.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I'll believe that when I see it.
    Same here. That is why I questioned the 15th century thing... I think they are still in the 7th...
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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Same here. That is why I questioned the 15th century thing... I think they are still in the 7th...
    Actually this argument is BS. People under the Roman civilization in the 2nd century BC were much more advanced than people during the middle age.

    Same for the Muslims: during the middle ages, they were much more enlighted and tolerant than Europeans. That's why Jews who fled from Spain (because of the reconquista) settled in North Africa.

    These things change, but it's not linear, it's cyclic.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    "oppress religion"...some things should be forbidden when they are contrary to human rights, even when these things are cultural (burqa is not part of Islam). Examples of "cultural" things that are forbidden in Europe are polygamy and excision.
    Well, religion is tradition and culture. There is, however, a difference between religion and true faith. But to have true faith one has to understand his religion's roots and basics. How many Muslims simply do not because of tradition and culture? The same is true for Chrisitians, but there's no frown upon education in the general Christian world.


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    Secondly, Belgium does not oppress any religion. Do you know other countries that fund immams and allows muslim politicians to enter the parliament with a veil (not a burqa...)?
    I didn't say Belgium oppressed anything. I referred to the perspective of those who are denied what they believe is very much a part of their religion.

    Why is this sort of thing always an issue in Europe? With 9/11 in our history, this is something that would be addressed with a swiftnesss in America. But we don't have situations where kids are wearing scarves to school or adults wearing burqas in secure areas. Even without a 9/11 on Europe's door step there seems to be a lot of social law coming down on Muslims.
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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Your resentment for civilians shines through. Need I remind you who it is you serve?
    I serve my Marines, my chain of command, my organization, my SECDEF and my President. No civilian gives me orders though he is full of self-righteous insignificant opinion. I don't like being used by politicians or their legion of sheep. I don't like the ignorance that grips the civilian population in regards to things outside their borders. I don't like that it takes 3,000 civilian American deaths for American civilians to care about exacting revenge by sending a military, which had already been attacked for over a decade without repercussion, over to kill for them (which appears to be far more "moral" of slaughter than deposing one of our Cold War dictators). I don't like that civilians chose to care about "body armor" in 2003 when it was politically viable without a care that no one had "body armor" in the Gulf War, Somalia, or Bosnia (and many other places). I don't like the civilian media, which prays for a chance to catch a military member behaving imperfectly or the results of imperfect operational efforts so that they can cash in. I don't like that the civilian population will feed the media beast by tuning in and insisting that the drama be as wonderful as possible until American Idol comes on.

    I can go on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The deployed military doesn't have to conform to that because war zones have fewer rules, which is obviously what you are accustomed to.
    Oh, the military whether deployed or not cuts through the garbage in its ranks. Wrong is wrong and it doesn't take a lawyer and an abundance of time and money to prove it or allow him to escape his personal responsibility. Such is a civilian perverted twist of social justice.
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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Al-Queda is of Arabic origin. More specifically they are made up of Sunni or Sunni loyalists. As was the Tali-ban. As was Saddam Hussein. As is the House of Saud. As is Bashir in Sudan. As is the Baathist Party in Syria. As was the orchestrators of Black September. Etc.

    Today's larger terrorist problem are 95% from the Sunni camp. Not since Khomeini (unless you count Hezbollah) can the Shia be targetted as the source of terror tactics.
    The iranian fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers is behind alot of terrorism the last 30 years...

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yeah, but history is extremely clear on the result of attempting to oppress religion. Whether European states see this or not, for Muslims this is oppression. One can certainly believe in freedom, democracy, Depeche Mode, and Coca~Cola and wear a burqa.

    This is something that descendants simply place in the closet eventually.....unless it becomes an object in which their parents and themselves can't make the decision on their own. It becomes a symbol of protest. In the end, religious fanatics don't protest a general rule. They protest what they see as robbing them of their identity or challenging them to re-asses their very souls.
    Then they can choose not to live in belgium. Noone is forcing muslims to stay, in fact, they are more than welcome to leave the West, and I am hopeful they do so expeditiously.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Actually this argument is BS. People under the Roman civilization in the 2nd century BC were much more advanced than people during the middle age.

    Same for the Muslims: during the middle ages, they were much more enlighted and tolerant than Europeans. That's why Jews who fled from Spain (because of the reconquista) settled in North Africa.

    These things change, but it's not linear, it's cyclic.
    Since it was mentioned - and continues to be a propagated myth to this day - the muslims in spain did not treat the fleeing jews there much better than christians did. Look up Maimonides to see how well jews were treated by their muslim hosts.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Why is this sort of thing always an issue in Europe? With 9/11 in our history, this is something that would be addressed with a swiftnesss in America. But we don't have situations where kids are wearing scarves to school or adults wearing burqas in secure areas. Even without a 9/11 on Europe's door step there seems to be a lot of social law coming down on Muslims.
    Are you kidding? You have any idea how many muslim-driven terror attacks there have been in europe over the last 15-20 years?

    If anything, Europe should have expelled its entire muslim population a while ago.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Are you kidding? You have any idea how many muslim-driven terror attacks there have been in europe over the last 15-20 years?

    If anything, Europe should have expelled its entire muslim population a while ago.
    Do you know how many Communist driven attacks? Nationalism driven attacks Sectarian drive attacks?

    By that logic there would be nobody left in Europe at this stage.
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