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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Well there is also a "ban on walking naked", since being naked in a public space is also considered as shocking. Same for the burqa.
    Well not so much shocking as much as indecent. The laws are with too few clothing, not too much. There shouldn't be a law against too much.
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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Well there is also a "ban on walking naked", since being naked in a public space is also considered as shocking. Same for the burqa.
    You can't seriously think that the two things are en par?

    Nudity laws have to do with indecent exposure. Burkhas are people covering their bodies for religious purposes, and laws against them are out of line.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    You can't seriously think that the two things are en par?

    Nudity laws have to do with indecent exposure. Burkhas are people covering their bodies for religious purposes, and laws against them are out of line.
    Both are laws about the way you can dress up. And the burqa is unrelated with Islam.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well not so much shocking as much as indecent. The laws are with too few clothing, not too much.
    In many cases it's forbidden to wear certain clothes: you can't wear a hat in a courthouse for example.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Both are laws about the way you can dress up.
    No, they're not. One is about the kind of clothing you can wear, and one is about not wearing clothing at all. Nudity is not a form of dress, but the absence thereof.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    And the burqa is unrelated with Islam.
    Every major religion employs clothing that scripture doesn't talk about. There is certainly nothing in the Bible that tells nuns to dress the way they do, covering their key features. The only difference between that and the burqa is that the burqa covers the face. So what? It's just one step beyond.

    It's one thing for those women to be living in Saudi Arabia and forced to cover up; it's quite another for them to be relocating to the (relatively) free world and choosing to dress that way.

    If they are entering government buildings, fine, but outside of that, how dare you or anyone else tell them how they can or can't dress.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    well bad news for them, we don't have any government.

    You do now.

    I have decided to conquer Belgium, personally and single-handedly, and rename it "Goshinland". I will then spend six months training an elite force of fifty Belgian commandos, with whom I will take over the rest of Europe.

    My first act as Master of Europe will be to extend the Burqa ban to all EU nations. In fact, I may ban all clothing on attractive females entirely, except for fur coats in winter. Or I might make Burqas mandatory for females who score an "OMG" on the UglyMeter. Haven't decided yet.

    Okay seriously now... could you elaborate on this "Belgium doesn't have a government" thing? I'll admit freely that what I know about Belgium could be written on the back of a matchbook with room left over, but now I'm curious as to what that meant.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay seriously now... could you elaborate on this "Belgium doesn't have a government" thing? I'll admit freely that what I know about Belgium could be written on the back of a matchbook with room left over, but now I'm curious as to what that meant.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...s-belgium.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...y-belgium.html

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Hey, even Islamists hiding in a cave can find Belgium on a map.
    Most Americans can't.


    Sorry. Couldn't resist.
    That's so not true. Americans love belgium waffles.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Well there is also a "ban on walking naked", since being naked in a public space is also considered as shocking. Same for the burqa.
    Yeah, but history is extremely clear on the result of attempting to oppress religion. Whether European states see this or not, for Muslims this is oppression. One can certainly believe in freedom, democracy, Depeche Mode, and Coca~Cola and wear a burqa.

    This is something that descendants simply place in the closet eventually.....unless it becomes an object in which their parents and themselves can't make the decision on their own. It becomes a symbol of protest. In the end, religious fanatics don't protest a general rule. They protest what they see as robbing them of their identity or challenging them to re-asses their very souls.
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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yeah, but history is extremely clear on the result of attempting to oppress religion. Whether European states see this or not, for Muslims this is oppression. One can certainly believe in freedom, democracy, Depeche Mode, and Coca~Cola and wear a burqa.

    This is something that descendants simply place in the closet eventually.
    Former Gunny, what is your take on banning burqas or full length religious garb and veils (which is the legislation in question) for security reasons?

    I understand how highly unlikely we're to see a hijab, for example, to hide a bomb. But we have clearly seen full length veils cover not just the identity of the wearer, but also explosives and/or weapons.
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