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    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Are you kidding? You have any idea how many muslim-driven terror attacks there have been in europe over the last 15-20 years?

    If anything, Europe should have expelled its entire muslim population a while ago.
    Whoa...slow down. This attitude is presicely why Europe always has these problems. Europe developed into a very tribal region because of expulsion, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Whether we talk about the Christian reformation or Germany's scourge across Europe, we are essentially talking about the unity of tribal identities against others.

    Europe has always looked the other way as outsiders walked in until it was determined that they were no longer welcome. Why do you think America's immigrant programs are so far ahead of Europe's? America's history is one of immigration. It's a basic strength. But Europe's sense of immigration has always been temporary because at it's core there is a sense of the "true" European and "outsiders." Maybe after a few more social laws and such Europe will be forced to rediscover its identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Whoa...slow down. This attitude is presicely why Europe always has these problems. Europe developed into a very tribal region because of expulsion, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Whether we talk about the Christian reformation or Germany's scourge across Europe, we are essentially talking about the unity of tribal identities against others.

    Europe has always looked the other way as outsiders walked in until it was determined that they were no longer welcome. Why do you think America's immigrant programs are so far ahead of Europe's? America's history is one of immigration. It's a basic strength. But Europe's sense of immigration has always been temporary because at it's core there is a sense of the "true" European and "outsiders." Maybe after a few more social laws and such Europe will be forced to rediscover its identity.
    PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona signed the nation’s toughest bill on illegal immigration into law on Friday. Its aim is to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants.
    Arizona Enacts Stringent Law on Immigration - NYTimes.com

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    But even if it was religious, do you not think that some things (like female excision) should be forbidden because they are against human rights, even if they are written in some old book?
    I think there is a separation between religion and government for a reason. The law should allow for the wearing of it and for the non wearing of it and that it is up to the individual wearing it, no her husband. It is up to the woman to dial "911."

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    Since we perceive the burqa as a sign of submission, it's normal that we ban it.
    It's religious oppression for some. what should be banned is the forced wearing of it. Once again, it is the woman's responsibility to declare her own rights under the law....but it should be a law where she makes the decision.


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    Well the difference is that you don't have 30 millions of Muslims in the USA. And I'm not sure the picture is so "black and white": wasn't there a huge debate about Obama being Muslim?
    Mostly political grand standing amongst Republicans and a matter of color for others. But the President he is. There is no law that states that Muslims can't hold office.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    What other laws?
    Well, there was (is?) the "stop and search" policies in the UK. France has laws against the full faced veil. The Burqa is a source of policy across your region, not just Belgium. I dare say that this is all going on throughout the region, but I haven't exactly made it a source of personal interest.

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    I've noticed over time that Europeans scrape anything they can from America to justify extreme behavior in Europe. This is state law. Not federal law and it pertains to "illegal" immigrants who sneak in and burden border towns and cities. Are Mexican border hoppers special? While the rest of the world saves up to travel across the ocean and goes through the procedures of doing it legally, Mexicans get to simply tunnel in? This is hardly the same thing as religious mandating.

    Why is it that Europeans seem to unanimously overlook the "illegal" part that goes with "immigrant" in our grumblings? It doesn't justify European ethnic cleansing or laws that prescribe how people worship God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I think there is a separation between religion and government for a reason. The law should allow for the wearing of it and for the non wearing of it and that it is up to the individual wearing it, no her husband. It is up to the woman to dial "911."
    you don't answer the question: should we allow everything because it is "religious"?



    It's religious oppression for some. what should be banned is the forced wearing of it. Once again, it is the woman's responsibility to declare her own rights under the law....but it should be a law where she makes the decision.
    Well there are arguments against the burqa itself, like the fact that it prevents a social life or integration. We consider that law is something that has to protect the "vivre ensemble" (living together). That's a different approach.


    Mostly political grand standing amongst Republicans and a matter of color for others. But the President he is. There is no law that states that Muslims can't hold office.
    The fact that there is such a debate still means something

    Well, there was (is?) the "stop and search" policies in the UK. France has laws against the full faced veil. The Burqa is a source of policy across your region, not just Belgium. I dare say that this is all going on throughout the region, but I haven't exactly made it a source of personal interest.
    So it's just laws about burqas. Not laws about Muslims being forced to use separate bathrooms or laws forcing Muslims to give up their seat to white people in busses.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I've noticed over time that Europeans scrape anything they can from America to justify extreme behavior in Europe. This is state law. Not federal law and it pertains to "illegal" immigrants who sneak in and burden border towns and cities. Are Mexican border hoppers special? While the rest of the world saves up to travel across the ocean and goes through the procedures of doing it legally, Mexicans get to simply tunnel in? This is hardly the same thing as religious mandating.

    Why is it that Europeans seem to unanimously overlook the "illegal" part that goes with "immigrant" in our grumblings? It doesn't justify European ethnic cleansing or laws that prescribe how people worship God.
    "illegal"? Why did you make laws regulating the way people can move through your borders? It's against their basic freedom to move and live where they want! How dare you making laws about that!

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    "illegal"? Why did you make laws regulating the way people can move through your borders? It's against their basic freedom to move and live where they want! How dare you making laws about that!
    Try the or something like "[/sarcasm]" when you are not being serious.... someone might take you seriously and conclude you drowned in the gene pool.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Try the or something like "[/sarcasm]" when you are not being serious.... someone might take you seriously and conclude you drowned in the gene pool.
    What if I was serious?



























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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

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    What if I was serious?


























    Then it must be the "drowned in the gene pool".




































    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    you don't answer the question: should we allow everything because it is "religious"?
    A burqa is everything? This is a loaded question based on an attempt to include extremist activity in minor issues of insignificance. Of course, you shouldn't allow human sacrifice. But this isn't what you are seeking to deny. You may as well deny the wearing of crosses. Some Christiains, who don't even wear crosses around their necks, would find offense.

    It's an unnecessary push.

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    Well there are arguments against the burqa itself, like the fact that it prevents a social life or integration.
    This is a western perspective all over. Americans see it as the same thing. But is it an necessary or unnecessary push? We have a very distinct handful of morons who pass around Rattle Snakes in church as a showing of their faith in God. There is no law against this even though it would be in their best interest. What there is is an ever lasting mockery from the rest of us and a 911 service.


    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The fact that there is such a debate still means something
    There's no debate. There never really was. Just a political tool like any other used to damage the other side. But you are attempting to use one American political individual to equate to European population prescription.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    So it's just laws about burqas. Not laws about Muslims being forced to use separate bathrooms or laws forcing Muslims to give up their seat to white people in busses.
    It's laws about religion. Pretty it up all you like. And using long gone racial laws in America to justify it is supposed to do what? Legitimize it? Can America justify throwing Muslims in ovens since Europe made a party of it in regards ot Jews? Or would I just be seeking a way to somehow make it OK?

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