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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, religion is tradition and culture. There is, however, a difference between religion and true faith. But to have true faith one has to understand his religion's roots and basics. How many Muslims simply do not because of tradition and culture? The same is true for Chrisitians, but there's no frown upon education in the general Christian world.
    There has been a debate over this here, and even muslims agree that it was not religious. La burqa, un signe sectaire et non religieux, par Dounia Bouzar - LeMonde.fr



    But even if it was religious, do you not think that some things (like female excision) should be forbidden because they are against human rights, even if they are written in some old book?

    Religion plays an ever smaller role over here, we used to be a very devout country in the past, but now we have legalized gay marriage and even adoption by gay people - that's because it is considered that the most important value is equality (between gays and heteros, and between men and women...and also between Belgians and foreigners, who also have the right to vote). Since we perceive the burqa as a sign of submission, it's normal that we ban it.



    Why is this sort of thing always an issue in Europe? With 9/11 in our history, this is something that would be addressed with a swiftnesss in America.
    Well the difference is that you don't have 30 millions of Muslims in the USA. And I'm not sure the picture is so "black and white": wasn't there a huge debate about Obama being Muslim?


    there seems to be a lot of social law coming down on Muslims.
    What other laws?

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Are you kidding? You have any idea how many muslim-driven terror attacks there have been in europe over the last 15-20 years?

    If anything, Europe should have expelled its entire muslim population a while ago.
    It is not necessarily to expel all the Muslims (and that would be criminal), the majority of them are peaceful. But you can do like the French: you expel the imams who spread hate in their sermons.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Do you know how many Communist driven attacks? Nationalism driven attacks Sectarian drive attacks?

    By that logic there would be nobody left in Europe at this stage.
    Look up paris bombings in 1995, for example, and the non-stop car burnings in the parisian suburbs.. There is no comparison between the 2.
    Last edited by rogerredy; 05-15-10 at 01:39 PM.

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirepoix View Post
    It is not necessarily to expel all the Muslims (and that would be criminal), the majority of them are peaceful. But you can do like the French: you expel the imams who spread hate in their sermons.
    Not yet, but a few more major attacks, and you will see - just like what armenia did - wholesale deportations of muslims. Cannot happen soon enough.

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    no, some of my muslim students are my finest people, citizens, gorgeous families, saintly, how i adore them

    a distinction must be made between those practicing their religions (and earning A's in calculus) and holocaust denying haters and hitmen (and women) going after grannies and little girls in the agora

    yet---and here's THE RUB---we patriotic, chaste, observant and faithful americans all are SUFFERING under a regime whose ATTORNEY GENERAL cannot bring himself to utter THE NAME of the ENEMY

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Holder Refuses To Use The Term "Radical Islam"

    how ya gonna fight a war, let alone DEFEND YOURSELF, when you reconditely REFUSE to RECOGNIZE, ie, acknowledge, the foe?

    the same folks REFUSE to enforce federal law on the border, then throw political eggs at the PEOPLE OF ARIZONA who do their job for them

    pathetic

    what's the govt doing to stop the leak in the gulf, other than pointing fingers at the finger pointers?

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Sadly true, however... Spanish Netherlands cum Austrian Netherlands cum Belgium ... and most Americans wouldn't know any of them from anything else on a map of Europe..
    Wow...

    How'd you get that past the curse filters?





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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no, some of my muslim students are my finest people, citizens, gorgeous families, saintly, how i adore them

    a distinction must be made between those practicing their religions (and earning A's in calculus) and holocaust denying haters and hitmen (and women) going after grannies and little girls in the agora
    I'm open to your ideas, but there is a reason why websites like shiachat, Iran Defense Forum - Powered by vBulletin, ummah.com, and so many others I can list that are jam-packed with muslims, mostly arab muslims, living in the West who hate jews, christians, Western democracy, etc., and should be dealt with - but aren't. If you can present a clear methodology of separating these filthy animals from the rest of the flock, let me know...

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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    i'm not president, i'm not anything

    i've met hundreds of absolutely awesome muslims, i so sincerely admire them, their beautiful lives and values, their families, the way they raise their kids...

    i've served them in my math classes, i used to wait on many at table

    the kids i often question, where are your people from, tell me about what's going on there

    they almost always have family still home

    but they generally, just about universally, don't know

    the most they can form is some conception like, karzai's no good, he's weak, he's corrupt

    or ms bhutto's good but her husband's bad

    they're americans

    you can't round up people around here, it's unamerican

    and politics, played in america, must appear pleasant, upbeat and positive to have any chance of proceeding

    my opinion, peace
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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    The iranian fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers is behind alot of terrorism the last 30 years...
    Not true. This is a misconception many have. Iran's claim to fame was Khomieni. It was he that declared the suicide bomber as righteous and perverted the idea of Jihad to extremism. It was he who developed Hezbollah. Since his death, it has been Iran that has funded Hezbollah and used this organization to fuel hatred amongst the Iranians. This pretty much sums it up. Iran has played a minor role in regards to terrorism. They have focused their terrorist tactics to the Middle East and mostly entirely against Israel in the form of Hezbollah.

    It has been the Arabs that have perverted Islam since the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood. It was the Arab governments that attacked Israel and used every single religious prescription to do it. It was Qutb who came along later and absolutely defined the roles of "true" Muslims everywhere against a clearly defined "evil" (America)...even though it was the Soviet Union that moved to protect Israel against those Arab governments. The movement to hate America amongst Arabs persisted to grow even as it was the French that took over the role of arms deployment into Israel after the Soviets began arming the Arabs and up to the Suez War where Arabs once again used religious means to aggress Israel. Arabs met Khomeini's radical Shia rhetoric with radical Sunni rhetoric and created extremists to meet extremists. After Khomeini's brief suicide bomber fad wore off for the Shia, it has been the Arabs that have assumed the role and celebrated it up to this very day.

    We may have an Iranian problem, but this absolutely does not translate into a Shia problem. What we have is a Sunni Arab problem. It has been this tribe that has wrecked this region since the Ottomans took stewardship of Islam away from the Arabs after the Crusades (though they will blame America exclusively for Europe's colonial border creations). And for half a century it has been their fight with Israel that has leaked out into Europe. Since the Gulf War, it leaked into America's yard. 9/11 was just a kick on the door.

    Contrary to popular belief, our problems with this tribe isn't as simple as blaming a dead man in a cave or blaming American foriegn policy. We barely had a foriegn policy in the Middle East when Qutb was preaching about our "evil culture" in the 50s. Everything has been fueled ever since fromthis root. No matter what we do, we will be the identified convenient enemy of Allah for Islamic radicals and their extremists. No matter how many Muslims we save in Kuwait or Bosnia. No matter how many Muslims are free to worship Allah in America. No matter how many successful Muslims are produced in America. No matter how many Muslims across the region was spared the fate of Muslims in the Caucusus under the Soviet Union during the Cold War. No matter how many Muslims have the opportunity of freedom and democracy, which no other nation on earth would have stuck around for to ensure. And no matter how much sin towards all Muslims come from Sunni Arab Muslim hands. We are their God's enemy.
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    Re: Arab group threatens Belgium with terror attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Then they can choose not to live in belgium. Noone is forcing muslims to stay, in fact, they are more than welcome to leave the West, and I am hopeful they do so expeditiously.
    Well I'm not going to argue with you on this. Europe's problems with Muslims and others (IRA, etc.) go back further than America's 9/11. Europe's recent history also involves people like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and the Soviet Union. We have always been spectators in this terrorist/dictator game across the ocean. Europe was and is a convenient locale of which a simple border crossing exists for these radicals and extremists. I don't blame Europe one bit for being more than aware of something that doesn't smell right.

    But this is why I have constantly warned that it is Europe that is going to be the "battle ground" for these extremists. They have already tried to take advantage of a French riot to gain ground for the expansion of the Muslim Brotherhood. They promised that they could control the Muslim population for the French government if they legitimized a station for them. This is extortion after the fact. Also, every time a law conflicts with Islamic prescription it makes international news and causes riots and deaht threats.

    When it comes to these social laws that seem be exponentially building in which Muslims feel targetted, Europe's got a storm brewing. Sooner or later, even France and Germany will recognize that this has less to do with their locales than it does the oppressed and ignorant source that is the Middle East. These locally groomed radicals and extremists are merely seeking approval from those who preach and encourage elsewhere.

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