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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Spare us your phony indignation. Most Liberals LOVE big government. They just oppose it when its something they don't agree with.

    That was voted on by the people who speak for the people. This activist judge circumvented that process and imposed her own personal politics.
    1. I think poster was only trying to call out conservative hypocrisy here, not argue for smaller government.

    2. So you believe the judge imposed her own personal views because you read her decision and disagree with it or are you just forming an uninformed opinion because you don't like the judges decision (remember the "will of the people" can and should be set aside if the law is over reaching. Our system is designed to protect the rights of the minority from the tyranny of the majority)?

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oddly, still, I have no problem with it. Maybe I'm just foolish in my belief that anyone who WANTS an abortion won't be swayed by such things. If they are - then where's the harm?
    The point isn't whether they are swayed or not. That's completely irrelevant.

    The point is that the government should NOT be in the business of mandating medical procedures.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The point isn't whether they are swayed or not. That's completely irrelevant.

    The point is that the government should NOT be in the business of mandating medical procedures.
    The government IS supposed to be in the business of protecting life.

    Babies are alive, the government should be protecting them.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The point isn't whether they are swayed or not. That's completely irrelevant.

    The point is that the government should NOT be in the business of mandating medical procedures.
    Exactly - which is why we're screwed now that the government has been given permission to dictate and dabble in healthcare.

    Because, it didn't use to be in the government's business and interest - but now it is.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The government IS supposed to be in the business of protecting life.

    Babies are alive, the government should be protecting them.
    Fetuses aren't babies. Tumors are alive.

    Stop playing the same old circular argument word games. They're lame.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The government IS supposed to be in the business of protecting life.

    Babies are alive, the government should be protecting them.
    Flies are alive too.


    Fact of the matter is that abortion IS LEGAL. Whether you like it or not. And since it IS legal, then no, it is not the government's job to mandate medical procedures for its citizens to "protect life".

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Exactly - which is why we're screwed now that the government has been given permission to dictate and dabble in healthcare.

    Because, it didn't use to be in the government's business and interest - but now it is.
    Oh I don't disagree with you there. I'm quite sure we'll be seeing a ****load more medical procedures being forced upon us. You know, for OUR own good.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Oh I don't disagree with you there. I'm quite sure we'll be seeing a ****load more medical procedures being forced upon us. You know, for OUR own good.
    Which makes the conservatives arguing in favor of this really confusing to me. THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO OPPOSE.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you had an internal tumor that was hours away from being removed, it wouldn't make sense for the doctor to stop everything and give you an ultrasound, just to make sure you want it removed. This is no different.

    The lawsuit has teeth because there is clearly a discrimination in the medical practice here. Why are abortions required to have an ultrasound beforehand? In the case of pre-natal ultrasounds, they are conducted to inspect the health of the embryo or fetus. If it's about to be aborted, its health status is irrelevant.

    The law is a thinly veiled appeal to emotion to guilt trip the woman into not going through with it. That, and it's a total waste of medical resources. The ultrasound costs money, and who is supposed to pay for it? The woman? The taxpayers? The clinics? It is little more than an obstruction to try and prevent an abortion from taking place, and it's an attempt to bypass Roe v Wade.

    It's also definitely a big government attitude, except this time it comes from the side of social conservativism, which you obviously support. You can't be against the health care bill but be in favor of this law. It equally lacks logic and is an intrusive use of power.
    Since when was a baby a tumore exactly?

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Since when was a baby a tumore exactly?
    Since when was a fetus a baby?

    Try something harder, that was a softball.
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