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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    God, I just wish the federal government would stop sticking their noses into people's business! If I want to kill it, let me! It's MY property! They have no right to tell me what to do with my property! I can do with it what I want and no government should stand in my way!

    Doesn't that sound like Mississippi circa 1858....?
    Not in the least. A ridiculous appeal to emotionalism, nothing more.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Basically I read somewhere that this law would also give doctors the right to not tell the mother that they baby has a birth deficit, and this is emotional blackmail....
    It's actually two laws.

    One requires, before an abortion, a woman to have an ultrasound with the monitor to be viewable by the woman, and the doctor must give her a full description of what she is viewing.

    The other forbids women who have disabled babies from suing a doctor for withholding information about birth defects discovered while the fetus was in the womb.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    It's actually two laws.

    One requires, before an abortion, a woman to have an ultrasound with the monitor to be viewable by the woman, and the doctor must give her a full description of what she is viewing.

    The other forbids women who have disabled babies from suing a doctor for withholding information about birth defects discovered while the fetus was in the womb.


    Thanks for the information about this law. ^^

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you had an internal tumor that was hours away from being removed, it wouldn't make sense for the doctor to stop everything and give you an ultrasound, just to make sure you want it removed. This is no different.
    I'm sorry that to you, a new life forming is the same as tumor.


    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The lawsuit has teeth because there is clearly a discrimination in the medical practice here. Why are abortions required to have an ultrasound beforehand?
    Because teh people of Oklahoma
    are sick of women killing unborn children without all the facts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    In the case of pre-natal ultrasounds, they are conducted to inspect the health of the embryo or fetus. If it's about to be aborted, its health status is irrelevant.
    And that's the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The law is a thinly veiled appeal to emotion to guilt trip the woman into not going through with it.
    Calling an unborn child a tumor isn't emotionalism? Maybe it's giving the woman all the facts like "Hey, THIS is what you're killing."

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    That, and it's a total waste of medical resources.
    Why, because some women might decide NOT to kill their own child. I think that's the greatest use of medical resources.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The ultrasound costs money, and who is supposed to pay for it? The woman? The taxpayers? The clinics? It is little more than an obstruction to try and prevent an abortion from taking place, and it's an attempt to bypass Roe v Wade.
    Roe Vs. Wade is terrible law and should be over turned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It's also definitely a big government attitude, except this time it comes from the side of social conservativism, which you obviously support. You can't be against the health care bill but be in favor of this law. It equally lacks logic and is an intrusive use of power.
    LOL I love this, so when the RIGHT supports a government action, we're hypocrites. Such emotionally charged intellectually dishonest drivel.

    No one said we're ANTI-GOVERNMENT. Nice try, but that John Stewart level of "logic" don't fly with honest folk.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    So there will be thousands of ultrasound procedures performed for women that have their eyes closed.

    Doesn't make much sense to me. Will the next step be to waterboard them until they watch with their eyes open and not rolled back into their heads?

    Leave people alone Goddammit.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    It's actually two laws.

    One requires, before an abortion, a woman to have an ultrasound with the monitor to be viewable by the woman, and the doctor must give her a full description of what she is viewing.

    The other forbids women who have disabled babies from suing a doctor for withholding information about birth defects discovered while the fetus was in the womb.
    Thanks.

    Wow, these are both incredible intrusions in the patient-doctor relationship.

    Especially the latter. A doctor can deliberately withold information from a patient about a medical condition? That's so obviously unethical.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    abortion which is not even in the constitution so clearly it is not a constitutional right
    Read the 9th amendment and get back to us.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Not her job. That's pure activism. She has no right to stop it.
    That is precisely her job. She not overturning the law--she's just reviewing complaints (legal filings regarding the law).

    Anytime a judge renders a decision you don't like, it's "activism"...

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    It's actually two laws.

    One requires, before an abortion, a woman to have an ultrasound with the monitor to be viewable by the woman, and the doctor must give her a full description of what she is viewing.

    The other forbids women who have disabled babies from suing a doctor for withholding information about birth defects discovered while the fetus was in the womb.
    Has their state legislature been totally overrun by the far-right?

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Roe Vs. Wade is terrible law and should be over turned.
    Um... sorry, counselor, but Roe v Wade is not a "law"...

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