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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post


    Really? So I need to see a picture of my tumor to make sure I want it out? I might change my mind when I see it?

    Wow, that was really lame. Especially since we already know exactly what the fetus is, and don't need a picture to tell us.
    you misunderstood the post. ;-)

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you misunderstood the post. ;-)
    Oops. I read too fast.

    Sorry, Orion. I deleted my response.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What? That came out garbled.
    Basically I read somewhere that this law would also give doctors the right to not tell the mother that they baby has a birth deficit, and this is emotional blackmail....
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Yo, we have laws that limit what kind of laws can be made. For instance, Texas can't pass a law that all everybody in the state has to wear a ten gallon hat.

    Amazing concept, I know.
    Nice job ducking the role of a judge.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    The plaintiff made a request for this temporary stop pending a hearing, then the State Attorney General agreed to a temporary stop pending a hearing and then the judge signed the agreement.

    Did this "activist judge" tie the AG down, whip him into submission and force her political beliefs onto him resulting in this agreement?
    There is NO LAW she can cite to grant that request. Thats the point.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Basically I read somewhere that this law would also give doctors the right to not tell the mother that they baby has a birth deficit, and this is emotional blackmail....
    Ah, I see.

    That would be a blatant violation of medical ethics.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    There is NO LAW she can cite to grant that request. Thats the point.
    She most certainly does have the power to grant that request, pending a full hearing. She has not ruled on the merits yet. It's purely a procedural thing.

    Calling a temporary delay to allow for a hearing "judicial activism" is absurd.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Roe vs wade, and a couple of other laws. It is going against that law to force the woman to go through a ultra sound..............

    PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF SOUTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.,

    v.

    ROBERT P. CASEY, ET AL.



    This type of thing is unconstitutional according to the supreme court...

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    If you had an internal tumor that was hours away from being removed, it wouldn't make sense for the doctor to stop everything and give you an ultrasound, just to make sure you want it removed. This is no different.

    Actually it is different. The woman is not carrying a tumor she is carrying a child. So it is absurd to compare a child to a tumor.

    The lawsuit has teeth because there is clearly a discrimination in the medical practice here. Why are abortions required to have an ultrasound beforehand? In the case of pre-natal ultrasounds, they are conducted to inspect the health of the embryo or fetus. If it's about to be aborted, its health status is irrelevant.
    The law is a thinly veiled appeal to emotion to guilt trip the woman into not going through with it.
    If they so convinced that the child they are carrying is nothing more than just a clump of cells then a ultrasound should not bother them and abortionist should not worry.

    That, and it's a total waste of medical resources.
    I disagree.If it saves at least one child then it is not a waste of resources.
    The ultrasound costs money, and who is supposed to pay for it?
    Doesn't someone who wants a gun in New york or some other anti-2nd amendment state have to pay for a permit/licenses themself?



    The woman? The taxpayers? The clinics? It is little more than an obstruction to try and prevent an abortion from taking place, and it's an attempt to bypass Roe v Wade.
    Some of those clinics already did ultra sounds.
    Patients Reacting To New Abortion Law - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |
    Counselor Sue Ames says her clinic already performs ultrasounds, but until now has never forced women to look at the results



    It's also definitely a big government attitude, except this time it comes from the side of social conservativism, which you obviously support. You can't be against the health care bill but be in favor of this law. It equally lacks logic and is an intrusive use of power.

    So its okay to make someone who wishes to buy a fire arm which is clearly a protested constitutional right to jump though hoops, but abortion which is not even in the constitution so clearly it is not a constitutional right, you abortionist have a problem making people jump through hoops before they can get an abortion.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    I have no issue with a doctor or clinic requiring a woman to have an ultrasound prior to having an abortion. I have no issue at all with a woman *having* an ultrasound prior to having an abortion. I think that ALL medical procedure decisions should be made with as much information as possible.

    However, I have a serious issue with the government forcing a woman to undergo a medical procedure. Period. It has nothing to do with what the procedure is, or why they are forcing it. It simply has to do with the forcing of it. That would be overstepping their bounds and no person who values freedom and liberty should be okay with that. No matter WHAT your feeling on abortion is.

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