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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What she did was impede the implementation of a law based on her own political beliefs. Thats the definition of an activist judge.
    Yo, we have laws that limit what kind of laws can be made. For instance, Texas can't pass a law that all everybody in the state has to wear a ten gallon hat.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What she did was impede the implementation of a law based on her own political beliefs. Thats the definition of an activist judge.
    The plaintiff made a request for this temporary stop pending a hearing, then the State Attorney General agreed to a temporary stop pending a hearing and then the judge signed the agreement.

    Did this "activist judge" tie the AG down, whip him into submission and force her political beliefs onto him resulting in this agreement?
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Absolutely correct decision by the courts. This is unconstitutional in my mind, the government has NO authority to force you to undergo medical procedures.

    I am laughing my ass off watching democrats in this thread and are all for a full on public option having a problem with the government mandating a certain type of procedure while on the other hand some republicans that cry, cry, cry non-stop about the public option and government in health care defending a law that mandates an individual to have a medical procedure performed on them.

    However I will say that the passing of this law is a symptom of a larger problem, and that's the federal government interfering with states rights in regards to Roe V. Wade. This should be a state issue and because the Federal Governments have taken that away then its only natural that States are going to try to assert their rightful dominion over this kind of law in some way shape or form to reflect the beliefs of their people. That does not make this particular law correct, it absolutely isn't, but its the reason why these kind of end around type things are done.

    The "conservatives for small government" issue is much like my view in regards to Net Neutrality. There comes a point where you realize that the obvious small government option ("remove it") is not going to happen so you then are forced to find a way to act within the system to count-act it as best as possible.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

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    Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law - UPI.com

    Once again, the party of "small government" , the Repubs, continues its efforts to give gov't more and more intrusive powers, this time allowing them to stick their arrogant noses into women's health rights.
    I don't grasp this issue.

    These women ARE PREGNANT - whether they like it or not - until they are no longer PREGNANT they ARE different than any other regular patient. If they were intending to have an abortion and were in a car-wreck they would be treated at the hospital based on their pregnant status. It's just a fact, there.

    I fail, though, to see why this is an issue one way or another. What's the point of the ultrasound? If it was to assist medical personnel that would be one thing but I gather it's a heart-string thing. Even then - why is that so bad? States have various requirements including "officially separated" time restraints for a couple wanting to divorce purely for the sake of having them slow down and think about the finality of divorce - why can't a state have a 'pre abortion screening' requirement?

    I support abortion but don't mind the ultrasound requirement because If I had to wait 6 months before I could be granted a divorce then surely someone should be required to *know* what they're aborting. It definitely shouldn't be done in ignorance. I prefer, overall, that people WANT to keep their children and WANT to raise them.

    If someone, after seeing what they're aborting, doesn't want to abort and has a change of heart - what's wrong with that?
    If someone, after seeing what they're aborting, doesn't have a change of heart then I see nothing wrong with that, either.

    Honestly - while I fully support abortion I feel it shouldn't be a walk-in thing. If I have to wait weeks or months to have a surgery then so should a pregnant woman. (Not an excessive amount of time - a few days maybe). During that time the clinic should be required to contact parents if the patient is a minor.

    I think the quickness of this procedure really dulls people's thoughts on it - it IS a medical procedure with risks and and consequences other than the aborted fetus.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    God, I just wish the federal government would stop sticking their noses into people's business! If I want to kill it, let me! It's MY property! They have no right to tell me what to do with my property! I can do with it what I want and no government should stand in my way!

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    why doesn't she?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    really? how in the world do you know that?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    This is what the law does under this law it makes the abortion doctor not obligated to tell you, if they baby has defects, if you deiced to keep it. It also what I would call emotional blackmail, and it does seem too signal out Abortion clinics.
    What? That came out garbled.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

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    I don't grasp this issue.

    These women ARE PREGNANT - whether they like it or not - until they are no longer PREGNANT they ARE different than any other regular patient. If they were intending to have an abortion and were in a car-wreck they would be treated at the hospital based on their pregnant status. It's just a fact, there.

    I fail, though, to see why this is an issue one way or another. What's the point of the ultrasound? If it was to assist medical personnel that would be one thing but I gather it's a heart-string thing. Even then - why is that so bad? States have various requirements including "officially separated" time restraints for a couple wanting to divorce purely for the sake of having them slow down and think about the finality of divorce - why can't a state have a 'pre abortion screening' requirement?

    I support abortion but don't mind the ultrasound requirement because If I had to wait 6 months before I could be granted a divorce then surely someone should be required to *know* what they're aborting. It definitely shouldn't be done in ignorance. I prefer, overall, that people WANT to keep their children and WANT to raise them.

    If someone, after seeing what they're aborting, doesn't want to abort and has a change of heart - what's wrong with that?
    If someone, after seeing what they're aborting, doesn't have a change of heart then I see nothing wrong with that, either.

    Honestly - while I fully support abortion I feel it shouldn't be a walk-in thing. If I have to wait weeks or months to have a surgery then so should a pregnant woman. (Not an excessive amount of time - a few days maybe). During that time the clinic should be required to contact parents if the patient is a minor.

    I think the quickness of this procedure really dulls people's thoughts on it - it IS a medical procedure with risks and and consequences other than the aborted fetus.
    your analogies don't make sense. what is the purpose of an ultrasound for a fetus that is going to be aborted? there is no earthly reason for it. given that, this law is ridiculous.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I am laughing my ass off watching democrats in this thread and are all for a full on public option having a problem with the government mandating a certain type of procedure while on the other hand some republicans that cry, cry, cry non-stop about the public option and government in health care defending a law that mandates an individual to have a medical procedure performed on them.
    What an incredibly absurd comparison.

    A public option would simply have been a government-run health insurance plan. It would not have forced anyone to have any medical procedures whatsoever.

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