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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    A mother who doesn't want it, despises its invasion, resents its unwanted presence, and wants it removed from her body. Probably those mothers.
    Notice the terms used here. "Despisies it's invasion". "Unwanted presence". Does that sound like a sane woman or group of women to anybody else here?

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Notice the terms used here. "Despisies it's invasion". "Unwanted presence". Does that sound like a sane woman or group of women to anybody else here?
    How is that not sane? It's an organism, inside someone's body who doesn't want it there. It's hardly insane not to want something taking residence inside your body against your will. (i.e., invading)

    How is that insane?

    If a ****ing monkey crawled up your ass and decided to live there for a few months, would it be insane for you to want it removed?

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Do you even make sense to yourself?
    Sure I do. DO you deny that laws don't change over time? What might be a law today, might not be tomorrow?

    Homicide laws have changed concerning the death of pregnant women and their babies in the womb.

    Can you explain this? If the baby in the womb is not a person/baby/child/etc, then how can a human being be charged for it's death while in the womb? It's a contridiction no pro-death person can logically explain.

    I would love to see your explanation for it. 30 years ago, was such a law part of Roe v Wade? Nope. So what changed then? Did the baby in the womb change? No, the baby in the womb is today, what it has always been, a baby in the womb. The same baby in the womb since the 1st pregnancy of man and woman.

    Is my comment now becoming more clear to you? Probably not, but I do try.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Sure I do. DO you deny that laws don't change over time? What might be a law today, might not be tomorrow?

    Homicide laws have changed concerning the death of pregnant women and their babies in the womb.

    Can you explain this? If the baby in the womb is not a person/baby/child/etc, then how can a human being be charged for it's death while in the womb? It's a contridiction no pro-death person can logically explain.

    I would love to see your explanation for it. 30 years ago, was such a law part of Roe v Wade? Nope. So what changed then? Did the baby in the womb change? No, the baby in the womb is today, what it has always been, a baby in the womb. The same baby in the womb since the 1st pregnancy of man and woman.

    Is my comment now becoming more clear to you? Probably not, but I do try.
    Such laws are wrong, simple as.

    A person should be charged with some crime if they kill a woman's unborn child against her wishes, but certainly not murder.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    How is that not sane? It's an organism, inside someone's body who doesn't want it there. It's hardly insane not to want something taking residence inside your body against your will. (i.e., invading)

    How is that insane?

    If a ****ing monkey crawled up your ass and decided to live there for a few months, would it be insane for you to want it removed?
    Again, your not making any sense. If you have sex, that means your inviting the consequences of that action. Which believe it or not, is possibly a child. Sex doesn't differentiate why your having sex, whether it is for getting off because your really horny, or b/c your wanting a child in a marriage, sex doesn't know that difference. So the idea it is "taking residence inside your body against your will" is not a defensivable arguement here. I know by me saying that it is gonna piss you off, but again, your arguing against Mother Nature, not me. I am just telling you what is, is. If your having sex, kids are gonna come about possibly. Doesn't matter why your having sex, kids are just the end result. That is why we call them "sex organs". They produce offspring.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Such laws are wrong, simple as.

    A person should be charged with some crime if they kill a woman's unborn child against her wishes, but certainly not murder.
    What makes the laws wrong?

    What is the difference b/w a baby in the womb that the mother wants, and a baby in the womb that the mother doesn't want? What is the difference in those 2 babies? The answer is, that there is no difference. The baby is gonna develop the same way in either instance. So what is the logical and scientific difference b/w those 2 babies?

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't care what the history is. Suggesting that modern abortion clinics are engaged in a deliberate attempt to kill black people is ludicrous.
    Of course you don't care what the history is, it shows the entire pro-death arguement for abortion to be more then what they want to claim it means.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This country was founded by slave owning racists. What does that mean?
    Black Americans also owned black slaves in those days, does that make those black slave owners racist too?

    Things change. Nice try though.
    Yes they do. Which is why laws regarding slaves has been abolished. Which is why laws regarding the unborn are changing as well.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Only a small number of abortions involve a viable fetus. And those are extreme situations with medical issues that are frankly over the heads of far-righties in the OK legislature...
    BS. A baby is "viable" at the moment of conception, otherwise, there would never be conception at all. Also, a baby is "viable" as long as it implants into the wall of the uterus. If it wasn't "viable" then it would simply pass through the uterus into the vagina and out of the body, hence a spontaneous miscarriage, which is natural. OR, a baby isn't viable when it dies within the womb at any point during pregnancy, through natural means.

    The arguement for "viability" is an excuse arguement and a dumb one at that. If the baby wasn't viable, it would naturally cease to exist.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Again, your not making any sense. If you have sex, that means your inviting the consequences of that action. Which believe it or not, is possibly a child. Sex doesn't differentiate why your having sex, whether it is for getting off because your really horny, or b/c your wanting a child in a marriage, sex doesn't know that difference. So the idea it is "taking residence inside your body against your will" is not a defensivable arguement here. I know by me saying that it is gonna piss you off, but again, your arguing against Mother Nature, not me. I am just telling you what is, is. If your having sex, kids are gonna come about possibly. Doesn't matter why your having sex, kids are just the end result. That is why we call them "sex organs". They produce offspring.
    Wrong. I'm not inviting any such consequence. All actions have potential consequences. Engaging in an action means you accept the risk but it, by no means, signifies that one is inviting a certain consequence, OR that one should not seek to rectify a consequence should it occur.

    When I get in a car to drive, I accept that I could be in an accident. That doesn't mean that I am INVITING an accident to happen, or that I should not seek medical attention should I have an accident.

    So your argument is based on a false premise.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    What makes the laws wrong?
    Because murder is the killing of a person and a fetus isn't one.

    What is the difference b/w a baby in the womb that the mother wants, and a baby in the womb that the mother doesn't want? What is the difference in those 2 babies? The answer is, that there is no difference. The baby is gonna develop the same way in either instance. So what is the logical and scientific difference b/w those 2 babies?
    There is no scientific difference. The difference is emotional. In one case, you are taking something away from a woman if you kill her WANTED unborn child. If you do that, you should be punished.

    Think of it like this: If I put my big screen TV out on the corner for anyone to take, it means that anyone can take it. It's not theft, it's not an act against me because I chose to let someone take the TV since I didn't WANT it. But if you come into my home and steal my TV, well that's a different matter altogether. There's no scientific difference between the two TVs, there doesn't need to be.

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