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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Actually it does make it less than a baby since it's not one. Just like it's less than an adult, because it's not one. Kind of like how a seed isn't a tree.

    embryo /= fetus /= infant /= adult
    i provided you the link, try reading it.

    And the old seed and tree comparison....lol. I didn't realize a baby was dormant in the womb....lol.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I don't have a 'bottom line' in any clinic.


    Our 'cause' is reproductive freedom of choice. The only thing that hurts our cause is legislation that limits that freedom of choice. Ultrasounds do nothing of the sort.


    You mean once I understand the anti-choice's politics around ultrasounds I will then understand why they want the government to force women to have them?

    Because no one here is against ultrasounds. Not in any way, shape, or form.



    How is it convoluted? It's spot on accurate.
    Maybe your not against them, but the folks who want to keep abortion mills running are.

    I provided you link about ultrasounds, try reading it.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    A baby, is not a different part of the life cycle. The "baby" goes through the development stages in the womb, when it comes out it is a newborn or infant.
    You would think this blatantly obvious. Women talk all the time about how their baby kicks, etc. while in the womb.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I always enjoy how the pro-life crowd paints the pro-choice crowd as having some sort of evil plot where they want to kill babies just for kicks.
    That is Planned Parenthood's #1 money maker. Without abortions, they would go belly up.

    Also, it was founded upon eugenics in the 1st place, which by and large, is a pretty nasty business. Just ask the African American population, they are usually the ones who get the easiest acces to abortion mills, as they set up shop in those type of areas.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You would think this blatantly obvious. Women talk all the time about how their baby kicks, etc. while in the womb.
    Now don't go getting all factual on us. We all know how "blobs of cells" kick when they want to.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    All this arguing about whether the fetus is or isn't alive has no real baring on this law and its correctness under the laws of the land, because under the law of the land a fetus can not be considered living until I believe the 3rd trimester. You may disagree with that legal standard, but you don't get to pass laws ignoring legal standards simply because you disagree with it.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Your devils advocate doesnt play out, b/c it is in no way equivalent to being pregnant and being responsible in the well being of another human being.
    Translation: "I'm not going to answer your question because it might expose my inconsistent ideology."

    This bill doesn't make abortion illegal, it just makes the process more painful and humiliating and intrusive. You're letting your personal feelings about a legal procedure cloud the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    That is Planned Parenthood's #1 money maker. Without abortions, they would go belly up.

    Also, it was founded upon eugenics in the 1st place, which by and large, is a pretty nasty business. Just ask the African American population, they are usually the ones who get the easiest acces to abortion mills, as they set up shop in those type of areas.
    You're swapping cause and effect. Socio-economic factors make the African American population more likely to want an abortion, and setting up abortion clinics in those areas is purely the market responding to a demand. Equating abortion with eugenics is yet another transparent attempt to create an emotional response.

    I should also point out that abortion brings in very little of Planned Parenthood's revenue.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I always enjoy how the pro-life crowd paints the pro-choice crowd as having some sort of evil plot where they want to kill babies just for kicks.
    LOL I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    i provided you the link, try reading it.

    And the old seed and tree comparison....lol. I didn't realize a baby was dormant in the womb....lol.
    I read it. It offered me nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Maybe your not against them, but the folks who want to keep abortion mills running are.
    No, they are not. What all of us who value liberty, choice, and limited government intervention are against is the government forcing someone to have an entirely unnecessary medical procedure done.

    I provided you link about ultrasounds, try reading it.
    I read it, it offered me nothing of value.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    That is Planned Parenthood's #1 money maker. Without abortions, they would go belly up.
    No, it is not. Abortion services account for 3%.
    Last edited by rivrrat; 05-05-10 at 06:27 PM.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    All this arguing about whether the fetus is or isn't alive has no real baring on this law and its correctness under the laws of the land, because under the law of the land a fetus can not be considered living until I believe the 3rd trimester. You may disagree with that legal standard, but you don't get to pass laws ignoring legal standards simply because you disagree with it.
    Even that is wrong:

    Why Young Voters Are Lukewarm on Abortion Rights - Newsweek.com

    "...Thirty-eight states now consider it a separate crime to kill a fetus in an act of aggression against a pregnant woman, and just last week Nebraska banned abortions after 20 weeks because of the possibility that the fetus could feel pain..."
    If someone disagrees with the legal standard that the 2nd amendment IS an individual right you don't get to make laws barring people from owning guns and make an argument for the case based on the fact you disagree with what the actual legal standard is.
    I can't even understand the comparison to the gun thingy. The 2 issues, aren't comparable.

    I do know this. As medical technology has gotten better, the ability to take a baby from the womb and keep it alive is getting better at younger and younger ages during pregnancy. With that advancement in medical technology, laws are going to be effected, as they already have. As this medical technology, to save lives, gets even better, babies will be kept alive at even earlier and earlier times during pregnancy until babies aren't even carried within the womb. At that point in medical advancement, what will the laws be? This is the future of medical technology folks. This is the route it is taking. Laws are going to change with it, and along with that comes a change in mindset on abortion and a whole host of other life issues b/c at that point, abortion becomes null and avoid does it not? And at that point what will the pro-death crowds chant be to abort babies then, when mothers don't even carry their young in the womb?

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Translation: "I'm not going to answer your question because it might expose my inconsistent ideology."

    This bill doesn't make abortion illegal, it just makes the process more painful and humiliating and intrusive. You're letting your personal feelings about a legal procedure cloud the issue.



    You're swapping cause and effect. Socio-economic factors make the African American population more likely to want an abortion, and setting up abortion clinics in those areas is purely the market responding to a demand. Equating abortion with eugenics is yet another transparent attempt to create an emotional response.
    Um, perhaps you ought to look into the history of your modern day birth control related stuff. Its all based off of eugenics.

    I should also point out that abortion brings in very little of Planned Parenthood's revenue.
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