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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    No, that is not what I said. I said the term, is no different in the sense of describing the human life cycle.
    True. But what's that prove?

    Do you know what the different stages are within the human life cycle? Fetus and adult are 2 of them. But at no point does calling a baby a "fetus" make it anything less then a baby or a human being.
    A fetus is not a baby, period. A baby is a different part of the life-cycle.

    A fetus may or may not be LEGALLY or MORALLY a human being. But you cannot assume it is just because it's a stage in the life cycle.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    No, that is not what I said. I said the term, is no different in the sense of describing the human life cycle.

    Do you know what the different stages are within the human life cycle? Fetus and adult are 2 of them. But at no point does calling a baby a "fetus" make it anything less then a baby or a human being.
    Actually it does make it less than a baby since it's not one. Just like it's less than an adult, because it's not one. Kind of like how a seed isn't a tree.

    embryo /= fetus /= infant /= adult
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    This "procedure", involves the well being of another individual life, that is on the verge of being killed simply b/c the mother doesn't want to deal with her own actions in life.
    Devil's Advocate:

    Guns involve the well-being of another. Are you in favor of the government forcing you to take a gun-safety class and get a psychological profile before you're allowed to purchase one?

    edit: And that gun safety class would include statistics on the number of children of gun owners who accidentally kill themselves, to round out the analogy a little
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, it's not.

    A fetus is a fetus.



    It's a fetus. Not a baby. Or a newborn, toddler, adolescent, or adult. A fetus.

    Calling it anything else is nothing more than a lame circular argument, or the fallacy of composition.
    Stages of Development: Normal Pregnancy: Merck Manual Home Edition

    Stages of Development

    A baby goes through several stages of development, beginning as a fertilized egg. The egg develops into a blastocyst, an embryo, then a fetus.....

    Development of the Fetus and Placenta

    At the end of the 8th week after fertilization (10 weeks of pregnancy), the embryo is considered a fetus. During this stage, the structures that have already formed grow and develop. The following are markers during pregnancy...
    That is the Merck medical site. Argue with them over it.

    As you can see, the term "fetus" is just a designated term for a designated time frame of the baby in development.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    ROFL

    Anywho, this has nothing to do with the mother changing her mind or not. That is entirely irrelevant. For the last time, it has to do with the government forcing a medical procedure on a woman.


    Well, except for the fact that they DO. It was actually a PP clinic that required I have an ultrasound prior to my abortion.

    Want to try again?
    Its not irrelevant, its right on que actually. The pro-death crowd knows that ultrasounds are harmful to their bottom lines in their death clinics. Which is why they don't want women seeing them. The former NARAL President said so herself, that ultrasounds are hurting their cause.

    CURE | Abortion and the politics of ultrasound

    Abortion and the politics of ultrasound
    Centers report that anywhere from 62 percent up to 95 percent of women who had intended to abort changed their minds after seeing ultrasound images...
    Once you understand the politics behind the ultrasound, you realize why pro-death people don't want women using them.

    The mother IS dealing with her actions and consequences of them. Hence the abortion.
    Yeah, that is one convulated way of looking at it.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    As you can see, the term "fetus" is just a designated term for a designated time frame of the baby in development.
    How is the name you choose to use relevant to, well, anything? Call it your squishy for all I care, it doesn't change anything.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Its not irrelevant, its right on que actually. The pro-death crowd knows that ultrasounds are harmful to their bottom lines in their death clinics.
    I don't have a 'bottom line' in any clinic.

    Which is why they don't want women seeing them. The former NARAL President said so herself, that ultrasounds are hurting their cause.
    Our 'cause' is reproductive freedom of choice. The only thing that hurts our cause is legislation that limits that freedom of choice. Ultrasounds do nothing of the sort.

    Once you understand the politics behind the ultrasound, you realize why pro-death people don't want women using them.
    You mean once I understand the anti-choice's politics around ultrasounds I will then understand why they want the government to force women to have them?

    Because no one here is against ultrasounds. Not in any way, shape, or form.


    Yeah, that is one convulated way of looking at it.
    How is it convoluted? It's spot on accurate.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    True. But what's that prove?
    That your not using the terminology properly maybe?

    A fetus is not a baby, period. A baby is a different part of the life-cycle.
    A baby, is not a different part of the life cycle. The "baby" goes through the development stages in the womb, when it comes out it is a newborn or infant.

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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    I always enjoy how the pro-life crowd paints the pro-choice crowd as having some sort of evil plot where they want to kill babies just for kicks.
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    Re: Judge stops Oklahoma abortion law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Devil's Advocate:

    Guns involve the well-being of another. Are you in favor of the government forcing you to take a gun-safety class and get a psychological profile before you're allowed to purchase one?

    edit: And that gun safety class would include statistics on the number of children of gun owners who accidentally kill themselves, to round out the analogy a little
    Your devils advocate doesnt play out, b/c it is in no way equivalent to being pregnant and being responsible in the well being of another human being.

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