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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sorry, maybe I'm crazy for not taking an obviously sarcastic in nature comment as literal
    I suppose it all depends on whether or not you agree with it.
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So I guess Bloomberg was wrong. It wasn't one of us tea party folk.
    What are you going to do if a tea partier goes postal? Or are they just that squeaky clean and pure?

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Basis for this claim? Feel free to link to evidence that I ignored the obvious in the Ft. Hood shooting.

    We had several incidents when I was working for a police agency that were potentially terrorist situations. We had (potentially multiple) gunmen involved in a shooting incident in a television station in our area. We had a gunman (but at the time, we weren't sure how many people were involved) walk into a geneology library and shoot several people. We had several animal rights terroristic bombings in our community along with acts terrorism committed by a polygamist sect.

    You never really know until you've had the suspect in hand for a few hours what their exact motivations were.

    Law enforcement is never going to classify motives for a crime like these without having some time with the suspect(s). And, that's how it should be.
    I said you ignored the obvious when it came to that attack.

    Please quote me accurately.

    And you wanted evidence? No problem. From the fort hood thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh, really? Is he part of a larger political movement who committed this crime to shift public policy? Or did he just go postal on his co-workers because he's nuts (*and his religion played a role in his insanity)?
    And another:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Jonah Goldberg (another bleeding heart liberal):

    Again, I am very uncomfortable with the idea that I might sound like I'm trying to diminish the guy's crimes. He committed treason and murder. It was a cowardly act. If we are at war, then it was a war crime.

    But I think the reader's definition of terrorism might move us into dangerous territory. In Pakistan, we launch missiles at people's homes with civilians in or around them to take out al-Qaeda leadership. The attacks are — hopefully — always intended to be something of a surprise. But I wouldn't call that terrorism. I'm just uncomfortable with the word terrorism metastasizing into "anything the bad guys do to us." Why not call what Hasan did a war crime? Terrorism is a war crime but not all war crimes are terrorism.

    Of course, the fact that Jihadis reject all of the rules of war makes it very difficult to figure out how to even talk about the rules. (Just out of curiosity, what would the legal definition be of, say, a Japanese officer turning on fellow Japanese troops during World War Two in the apparent hope of aiding the Allies?)

    As I said before, if terrorism is now the catchall for dastardly acts committed by Jihadis, then calling this attack terrorism works fine for me. But if this is really a war — and I think it is — then I think we could spend some more time thinking a bit more rigorously about our vocabulary. For those interested, this is a longstanding interest of mine.


    Re: Was It Terrorism? - Jonah Goldberg - The Corner on National Review Online

    More questions:

    Can attacks on a military base constitute "terrorism"? - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

    If attacks on soldiers now qualify, how is it possible to exclude many American actions?

    p.s. These articles highlight the perils of indiscriminate usage of the term, and require nuanced thinking skills, I'm sure many of you will self-disqualify from reading them.
    And another

    What new information suggests he was a "sleeper agent"?
    And another:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I also have seen no evidence that, if he contacted AQ, they responded and coordinated his activities. A sleeper agent implies that he was working for an organization larger than himself, and I'm not sure he was.
    And another:

    Who put him in the wings? For what terrorist group was he acting as a "sleeper agent"? These terms have meanings. You clearly don't understand them.
    And another:

    How can there be "no question"??

    All I've seen was a bunch of people scared of muslims ranting on and on about what flavour of muslim he was and why he was out to kill americans??

    The reality of the situation is that IF this was the case :
    - He became a citizen
    - joined the millitary
    - became a psychiatrist
    - and then waited to be deployed
    BEFORE going out, grabbing some guns and starting to shoot up the base...

    I hate to break it to you, but the reality is that this situation most closely resembles the MO of a psychiatrist that was depressed, self-diagnosed himself a prescription of some SSRI drug that created in him a psychotic episode where he simply grabbed his guns and started shooting

    Oh, so this guys guilty of being a muslim, therefore it's not a simple mass shooting, but a 'terrorist attack'... come on... seriously?
    You thanked the guy above for his post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He said flat out that not all muslims are terrorists. And he is correct in that it is difficult to identify those who have the capacity to commit a terrorist act, and those who would NEVER do so. In essence, our current law enforcement strategy is EXACTLY as you describe, Lerxst. To let them show, through their actions, whether they are terrorists or not. We've made arrests in cases where individuals have engaged with undercover operatives and taken responsibility for attempting to blow something up *(though they were set up, and no explosion actually occurred).

    For example: Jordanian accused in Dallas bomb plot goes to court - CNN.com

    So, yeah. The ones who try to blow up a skyscraper are terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This guy was a career Army officer. Do you think he enlisted with the idea of committing sabotage and terror against the U.S. Government? Please.
    And then this:

    There were even more warning signs that might have alerted the Army in recent months:

    — In the days and weeks before the shooting, Hasan voiced his objections to Muslims fighting the war on terror to members of his mosque, the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen. Congregants at the mosque said he voiced his objections to Muslims serving in the U.S. military and to his impending deployment to Afghanistan.

    — Over the summer, Hasan's comments led Osman Danquah, co-founder of the mosque, to recommend that it deny Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at Fort Hood, the Associated Press reported.
    And you "thanked" him for that post

    There are others but I don't want to be found guilty of child abuse so I'll stop.

    If you would like to further embarrass yourself Catz, please let me know
    Last edited by texmaster; 05-04-10 at 12:01 PM.
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What are you going to do if a tea partier liberal goes postal? Or are they just that squeaky clean and pure?



    I highlighted above how silly this sounds.
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I highlighted above how silly this sounds.
    Yeah I guess so because the tea party is as pure as a fresh snow......job.

    Face it Rev there are nuts in every party even the tea party.

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah I guess so because the tea party is as pure as a fresh snow......job.

    Face it Rev there are nuts in every party even the tea party


    Oh that's a lovely strawman you have there, build it yourself?
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    NYC bomb suspect nabbed aboard Dubai-bound plane
    By TOM HAYS and COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writers Tom Hays And Colleen Long, Associated Press Writers 1 hr 15 mins ago

    NEW YORK A U.S. citizen who had recently returned from a five-month trip to his native Pakistan, where he had a wife, was arrested at a New York airport on charges that he drove a bomb-laden SUV meant to cause a fireball in Times Square, federal authorities said.

    Faisal Shahzad was on board a Dubai-bound flight at Kennedy Airport when FBI agents and New York Police Department detectives took him into custody late Monday, law enforcement officials said. One official said he claimed to have acted alone.

    U.S. authorities "will not rest until we have brought everyone responsible to justice," Attorney Eric Holder said early Tuesday, suggesting additional suspects are being sought.

    Shahzad, 30, is a naturalized U.S. citizen and had recently returned from a five-month trip to Pakistan, where he had a wife, according to law enforcement officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation into the failed car bombing.
    Print Story: NYC bomb suspect nabbed aboard Dubai-bound plane - Yahoo! News

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah I guess so because the tea party is as pure as a fresh snow......job.

    Face it Rev there are nuts in every party even the tea party.
    No one is saying that the Tea Party is fresh as pure snow.

    What they are saying is that the vast, vast majority of the Tea Partiers are sane individuals with no history or penchant for terrorist attacks and that jumping to the conclussion its a "tea partier" based on absolutely nothing...no history of terrorist attacks, no prevelance of terrorist attacks, etc....is idiotic.

    Sure, any large group is going to have some nut balls in it on the fringes. That doesn't mean that you should rush to judgement that its that group's member that did something when that kind of person would be the exception, not the rule for the group.

    "This must've been a McDonald's worker! What? You don't agree? What do you think ALL McDonald workers are clean as the wind driven snow? No, then it must have been a McDonald's worker".

    Suggestions that "OMG it was a tea partier" is just ab out as ridiculous as the above.

    No one is saying that the Tea Party, or any group, is absolutely pure. What they are saying is its incredibly to jump to a conclussion that its even likely or plausible that it was a Tea Partier when there's been no history or basis to even make such a suggestion.

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    I'm still not seeing where you've been consistent

    Maybe you just had a change of heart?

    05-02-10, 03:31 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I would not be surprised if these were not Pakistanis at all, but locals who were ideologically sympathetic. In that case, it isn't Pakistanis slipping into New York, but locals buying into their mentality...much harder to fight.
    05-02-10, 05:26 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think it's ridiculous to make speculative guesses without evidence. It leads to stupidity and panic.

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    Re: I'm still not seeing where you've been consistent

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Maybe you just had a change of heart?

    05-02-10, 03:31 PM
    Catz Speculating


    05-02-10, 05:26 PM
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    LOL yikes. Damn you research!
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