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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Why, you thanked one of them who reacted to the news piece with innuendo that people were motivated by hatred of Muslims.

    Is the man in question not Muslim? Did he not go to Pakistan? Is Pakistan not a foreign country?
    No one insinuated people were motivated by hatred of muslims. Someone insinuated that there are people who love to use incidents like these for political reasons and those people are going to be excited now that there's enough evidence to begin making semi-reasonable assumptions about the guys intent.

    Which I agree with him, at the same time I do think its a likely good possability this was islamic terrorism. I'm just not claiming it as fact yet based on assumptions. But obviously, as evident in this thread, there are many who love information like this coming out specifically so they can make their assumptions out as fact and use it as a political tool in regards to their agenda regarding islam.

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    When did your moratorium start.. 10 minutes ago ??? You actually think putting quotes around the term makes it OK??
    Yup !! If I am quoting someone who used the it is fine as long as I have not used it while the moritorium was on. For example let's say ou used ther term " in a bad way such as like this " the was elected seriff ". If I went after you for using that term and put it in quotes that is fine. That is how I used the term in those quotes.

    You know language is a living thing and at one time gay meant happy, but now many Gays are not happy since they cannot get happily married in most states.

    So " is not just for employees of Lipton anymore.
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I agree 100% with this.

    My issue, not specifically with you but in general, is people seem far more likely to try and push the "don't jump to conclussions" suggestion in a stronger way when its being aimed at people suggesting someone is an islamic terrorist than when someone is suggested as being an christian extremist or KKK member or whatever else. It seems much more acceptable to openly talk about and discuss assumptions when the assumption isn't Islamic.

    When it comes to law enforcement, I absolutely agree. They shouldn't say anything that isn't defintive fact, and I'd go one step further and say they shouldn't say initially more than is absolutely necessary not to cause excessive panic.
    I think that if you review the census taker case in Tennessee, you will find that I responded in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. And in that case, I was defending tea partiers from the aspersions being cast their way by the far left idiots. I would encourage you to look at that thread if you have any doubts, whatsoever.

    I feel the same way about rushing to judgement in ANY criminal case, whether the issue is gangs, politics, race, or religion.

    I was once involved in a gang-related shooting. The NAACP, with very few facts, decided immediately because one of the victims was ostensibly black, that a gang-shooting was a race-related homicide. They rushed to the media, calling it a hate crime.

    Within hours, it was determined that the victim was Latino, the shooter was white, and both were gang-involved. The incident wasn't racial, it was gang-related. IN other words, it was no more a hate crime than any other homicide.

    Direct experience with that case has made me extremely careful about spreading misinformation. Not because I did so, but because I saw the longterm effects of that misinformation in the community. People remembered it as a "hate crime," and it fed fears of white on black racial crime in our community. But, it never happened...not like it was spun.

    And, at some point, later in my career, a member of the community accused me of "covering up" that hate crime. the hate crime that never was.

    tres annoying.
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post

    I was once involved in a gang-related shooting. The NAACP, with very few facts, decided immediately because one of the victims was ostensibly black, that a gang-shooting was a race-related homicide. They rushed to the media, calling it a hate crime.
    Was Al Sharpton involved? That guy made his fame on the Twana Brawley fiasco. It turned out Brawley made her story up about being raped by a gang of white guys.

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No one insinuated people were motivated by hatred of muslims. .
    Oh, Really.

    Then what was post #6 in this thread all about?
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that if you review the census taker case in Tennessee, you will find that I responded in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. And in that case, I was defending tea partiers from the aspersions being cast their way by the far left idiots. I would encourage you to look at that thread if you have any doubts, whatsoever.
    And I remember that one, and you doing that. Sadly you were one of the few that I remember, along with redress, doing such. Which again, is my larger point. Many people were very happy and apt to leap to conclussions with that one that would otherwise condemn someone for doing it with a case possibly leaning towards a Muslim, and vise versa. However the opposition to those jumping to conclussions seemed much more tacit or lacking then it does in, say, the Fort Hood shooting. I guess that's a bit what bothers me, the hypocrisy in some (again, not saying you) that will complain about it on one side and then do the very act the next, and more than that simply the different levels and intensity involved in the ridiculing of making assumptions.

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Oh, Really.

    Then what was post #6 in this thread all about?
    I just told you? Did you really just quote a post of mine but apparently read only like the first line?

    It was someone commenting on the fact that multiple people on this board love situations like this because they can use it to push thier political agenda regarding their views on Islam.

    That is not suggesting they are motivated by their hatred for islam, he was suggesting they are excited by the news because they can use it to push their hatred/dislike/mistrust for Islam (be it all of islam or portions of it depending on the person).

    He's absolutely right.

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I just told you? Did you really just quote a post of mine but apparently read only like the first line?

    It was someone commenting on the fact that multiple people on this board love situations like this because they can use it to push thier political agenda regarding their views on Islam.

    That is not suggesting they are motivated by their hatred for islam, he was suggesting they are excited by the news because they can use it to push their hatred/dislike/mistrust for Islam (be it all of islam or portions of it depending on the person).

    He's absolutely right.


    I did read your entire spin, but I rejected it due to the very specious nature of the rhetoric. I discounted such sophistry since the actual posting said "Ah finally, now you guys can take out your "death to Islam" signs.", which not only paints all with the same brush (you guys), but accuses them of wanting the death of an entire religion -- hardly subtle despite your apologia.
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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    Sorry, maybe I'm crazy for not taking an obviously sarcastic in nature comment as literal

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    Re: American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

    So I guess Bloomberg was wrong. It wasn't one of us tea party folk.
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