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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I do not hold it against immigrants that they are here illegally. We obviously have the jobs and need the labor or they wouldn't come here. We are the hypocrites for wanting the one without allowing for the other. We have these demands for labor and yet we have an unrealistic immigration strategy.
    All well and good, even though I disagree with the notion of "we" are hypocrites. You're talking far to broad on that one. There are individuals perhaps, but I do not think as a country. Sadly though you don't see many polls going "If you could expell every illegal in this country but the cost of goods and serves would go up 2%-5% would you do it".

    So what I would like to see is the following:
    • Create a visa-on-demand program at the border. If someone shows up and passes a terrorist check, give them a 1 year visa automatically.
    • Provide instructions to get a green card once here with an on-demand visa
    • Provide all illegal immigrants with an on-demand visa.
    • If an illegal immigrant is caught in a felony, make em do the time then deport them
    • If a visa holder or green card holder commits a felony, also make em do the time then deport them
    • Legalize drugs - this should shutdown border smuggling
    • Don't worry about the border - this country is not a prison.
    Ah, well, I disagree with a fair bit of this but yeah, that would then be forgiveness. That said, you're not saying "forgive their crimes" you're saying "Change massive amounts of laws and then forgive their crimes".

    Two VERY seperate things.

    Simply saying to forgive their crime and give them a visa implies under the current law, and that would be rewarding them.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I guess what I don't understand is why the illegal immigrant issue is a huge deal nowadays. It kind of started during the Bush administration and has been going fairly steady since. Why is illegal immigration suddenly such a huge issue? People have been sneaking across the border for decades. Why is this now a big enough deal to implement laws like these? One would think that there would be far bigger fish to fry, especially in this post-9/11 world. I'm not taking one side of this issue or the other, I'm honestly just curious.
    It might be the 20,000,000 of them currently in this country pumping out 6 to 10 kids per family at a cost of billions per year...... but don't quote me on that.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I do not agree with the liberal reinterpretation of the word "invader" to include aliens from friendly nations
    This friendly nation is being run solely by drug lords and the most vicious gangs in the Americas. Ninety percent of this country's drug problem comes across this border.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    I'm going to go WAY off-topic to cement your point further - why do so many liberals complain about jews who moved form europe and/or expelled from arab countries to israel - BUT BUT BUT - make every effort to defend mexicans moving to the US for jobs?

    So in pseudo-liberal (tiny) minds, its ok for mexicans to move to the US in large numbers, refusing to assimilate, and try to take over, for economic reasons - BUT BUT BUT - it isn't ok for jews to have moved to israel to avoid being killed?

    Damn those liberal hypocracies, they seem to grow on trees these days...but you are correct, to liberals, you only need to defend the constitution when the NY Times says you should...
    i challenge you to prove your assertion that liberals believe what you just posted. by the way, oh great minded conservative, what does "hypocracy" mean?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It might be the 20,000,000 of them currently in this country pumping out 6 to 10 kids per family at a cost of billions per year...... but don't quote me on that.
    Okay, and I accept that. But that has also been happening for a long time. So, why now? It seems rather odd to me that all of this immigration stuff seemed to pop up when a lot of people were having nationalist fever in this country. Perhaps I'm just paranoid.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    The article should read:


    "Illegal aliens flee with thier 10 anchor babies in fear of federal law being enforced.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i am talking about a one time amnesty, in combination with stern enforcement of laws already in place.
    As another poster out that has already been tried before. INstead of 3 million illegals we now have 12-20 million plus illegals waiting their turn for amnesty. Which is one of the reasons other than not wanting to reward trespassers/invaders the McCain/Kennedy/Bush amnesty failed. How can they be trusted to do stern enforcement when they don't even want to do regular enforcement? They put the national guard on the border to put up fence and act as spotters for border patrol with no authority to detain,prevent or stop illegal crossing, they were basically paid to do what the Minutemen were already doing for free. That old saying comes to mind "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". Basically only someone who wants amnesty and someone who is an idiot would want another so called immigration reform compromise.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Okay, and I accept that. But that has also been happening for a long time. So, why now? It seems rather odd to me that all of this immigration stuff seemed to pop up when a lot of people were having nationalist fever in this country. Perhaps I'm just paranoid.
    I think it's more economic than nationalist. I've seen it coming for a long time.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The article should read:


    "Illegal aliens flee abscond with thier 10 anchor babies in fear of federal law being enforced.



    There, that's more accurate.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I guess what I don't understand is why the illegal immigrant issue is a huge deal nowadays. It kind of started during the Bush administration and has been going fairly steady since. Why is illegal immigration suddenly such a huge issue? People have been sneaking across the border for decades. Why is this now a big enough deal to implement laws like these? One would think that there would be far bigger fish to fry, especially in this post-9/11 world. I'm not taking one side of this issue or the other, I'm honestly just curious.
    There has to be a breaking point, and we've reached it. And, I'm sure 911 and security have their place in it as well. I know it does with me. It's in part due to 911 that I want stricter border security and immigration laws enforced. We monitor ships and planes, but not our huge, wide open southern border. We have terrorist watch lists, but who keeps tracks of the millions creeping into the country unnoticed?

    Economics is part of the issue, security is another part of it.

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