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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Seriously folks, there are supposedly gonna be too many green pools and yellow lawns! Fast food won't be "fast" anymore! Can we really afford to enforce our immigration laws like the rest of the world does? Oh the HORROR!
    What is the most hilarious is watching Mexico rail about the US and particularly AZ with this new law - while treating all and ANY illegals form latin/south america it catches worse than dirt.

    Mexico arrests any illegal alien it catches immedately, and shortly deports them after rather harsh treatment.

    They do not want anyone competing with them for the money shipped home from Gringoland...

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    agreed. we have to enforce our laws, but a massive deportation is too expensive. and when i say laws, i mean jail time for those who hire illegals, in combination with refusing gov't aid for illegals.
    I agree with enforcing the laws, but disagree about deportation. We do not know this, because we aren't even trying. Even more, while it may be pricey, it may be worth it based on the very principles associated with our country. I always hear liberals talking about how horrible the Patriot Act is or removing miranda rights for terrorist is, saying that no amount of saved lives justifies vilating our principles of rights. Yet we're supposed to put a monitary value on the principle of The Rule of Law? Why the selective care for our principles in this country? Why is it not okay to ignore the rule of law to say, save 100 lives, but it is okay to ignore the rule of law to save $10 million dollars?

    I'm not saying we definitely 100% need deportation, but I think we need to enforce the current laws on the books sternly and to their fullest...including laws regarding deportation...for a number of months to have a legitimate baseline of immigration and illegal immigration in our country at that point to THEN decide what changes to immigration policy, border security, and potential for amnesty/path to citizenship needs to be done.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    agreed. we have to enforce our laws, but a massive deportation is too expensive. and when i say laws, i mean jail time for those who hire illegals, in combination with refusing gov't aid for illegals.
    There already WAS an amnesty, probably before you were born - in 1986 - and yes, I protested that one as well, and after Reagan promised "no more illegals would be tolerated," well, how did that one work out for you?

    Second, why do you think "its too expensive" to deport them? Simply bill their nation of origin.

    Third, by refusing aid, does that mean we can keep so many hospitals from closing by refusing emergency room aid to those here illegally?

    Fourth, can we change the constitution to revoke the citizenship of anchor babies?

    Do you support all of that as well?

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Forgiving them, yes.
    Will I be forgiven for breaking State and Federal laws? Or will I get prosecuted and tossed in jail?

    BTW.. they aren't illegal immigrants, they are illegal aliens. Knock off the PC bull **** and learn to call a turd a turd.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But...!! Who's going to make homemade tortillas for me the next time I visit Houston and want to eat at Ninfas on Navigation???

    Can't we keep SOME of them?
    As none of them actually work there, no. Poor Catz, you really should get out more often. Tell you what, you tool your way down to the original Ninfa's, shout as loud as you can, ICE Task Force, Immigration Officer, and watch as nobody blinks an eye. As that is the only Ninfa's still owned by the Ninfa family, you can stutter step to any of the corporate Ninfa's restaurants and shout the same thing, and get the same response.

    Great, but truly hollow, non point.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what are you talking about?
    You used a ridiculous term. "Employed illegals." You make it sound like some sort of accomplishment. You want to reward people for successfully dodging our system by granting them legal status.

    My point was, only in this country would we consider such a ridiculous concept. You won't see that play out anywhere else.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I always hear liberals talking about how horrible the Patriot Act is or removing miranda rights for terrorist is, saying that no amount of saved lives justifies vilating our principles of rights. Yet we're supposed to put a monitary value on the principle of The Rule of Law? Why the selective care for our principles in this country? Why is it not okay to ignore the rule of law to say, save 100 lives, but it is okay to ignore the rule of law to save $10 million dollars?
    I'm going to go WAY off-topic to cement your point further - why do so many liberals complain about jews who moved form europe and/or expelled from arab countries to israel - BUT BUT BUT - make every effort to defend mexicans moving to the US for jobs?

    So in pseudo-liberal (tiny) minds, its ok for mexicans to move to the US in large numbers, refusing to assimilate, and try to take over, for economic reasons - BUT BUT BUT - it isn't ok for jews to have moved to israel to avoid being killed?

    Damn those liberal hypocracies, they seem to grow on trees these days...but you are correct, to liberals, you only need to defend the constitution when the NY Times says you should...

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    very simplistic. no, i don't. i support a one time amnesty in combination with enforcing current laws, to the maximum.
    Which, not coincidentally, should sway many an election your way in the future. Obama would agree.

    This is so transparent.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can anyone get a Visa at any time or is there a waiting list and process?

    If its the former, then sure, that's forgiving.

    If its the latter, then nope...again...you're rewarding their breaking of the law by allowing them to skip the process and the line ahead of others doing it the right way.
    I do not hold it against immigrants that they are here illegally. We obviously have the jobs and need the labor or they wouldn't come here. We are the hypocrites for wanting the one without allowing for the other. We have these demands for labor and yet we have an unrealistic immigration strategy.

    So what I would like to see is the following:
    • Create a visa-on-demand program at the border. If someone shows up and passes a terrorist check, give them a 1 year visa automatically.
    • Provide instructions to get a green card once here with an on-demand visa
    • Provide all illegal immigrants with an on-demand visa.
    • If an illegal immigrant is caught in a felony, make em do the time then deport them
    • If a visa holder or green card holder commits a felony, also make em do the time then deport them
    • Legalize drugs - this should shutdown border smuggling
    • Don't worry about the border - this country is not a prison.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Isn't that like letting a shoplifter keep a walkman that he shoplifted? You are basically suggesting that trespassers/invaders should be rewarded by being allowed to stay in this country. Maybe next you will suggest we forgive bank robbers by letting them keep the loot they stole.
    They haven't stolen anything of value by coming here.

    It is COMPLETELY unrealistic to say that we will deport all the illegal immigrants in this country.

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