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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Forgiving them is giving them a chance to leave before they're put in prison, or sending them back off to their home country rather than imprisoning them.

    Making them a citizen, with all the rights there of, is not forgiving...that's rewarding. That's giving them something they didn't have.
    Screw you for being smarter and more eloquent than me - this is THE BEST post I've seen in this forum...which I was less than thrilled with to say the least until recently. Posts like this make it worth hanging around a while longer.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Seriously folks, there are supposedly gonna be too many green pools and yellow lawns! Fast food won't be "fast" anymore! Can we really afford to enforce our immigration laws like the rest of the world does? Oh the HORROR!

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Think about that phrase for just a moment.

    How many "employed illegals" are living in Canada? Russia? England? Mexico, for that matter?
    what are you talking about?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why amnesty when states can enact and enforce anti-illegal immigration laws on the state level? If sanctuary states don't change then all the illegals will flood to those states. It would be amusing to see how California and Newyork do with most of the 12-20 million plus illegals,especially seeing how the cost of living in those states is absurdly high.
    i am talking about a one time amnesty, in combination with stern enforcement of laws already in place.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Their is a waiting time, and no they can't get a visa at any time they can however be denied a visa anytime. Some people may apply for a visa about 5- 20 times in one year to get a visa. Whit the Visa cards been up to $236.00 most people in Mexico can't even afford that. TO get the green card it will take years to get, or months. USCIS - Green Card Processes and Procedures

    This is why I think that we need to make a little bit more easier for them to get a green card
    That's what I thought the answer is...

    So no reef, giving them a Visa is still rewarding them for committing the crime, not forgiving them. They commited a crime and get something others have to wait and get.

    Now, that said, once the Federal Government actually shows legitimate efforts at enforcing immigration laws then personally I would be willing at looking at a compromise type bill that protects the border, reforms the immigration process, and deals with what to do with those illegally in this country and a potential path to citizenship.

    But not until we start to actually regularly enforce the laws...in part to see realistically what the likelihood is in regards to deportation and the possible economic hit. Right now its all theoritical and I refuse to just say "give them all amnesty because its not possible" when we aren't even attempting to uphold our laws. Once we start upholding them then we can make an educated decision on what to do. Not before.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Seriously folks, there are supposedly gonna be too many green pools and yellow lawns! Fast food won't be "fast" anymore! Can we really afford to enforce our immigration laws like the rest of the world does? Oh the HORROR!
    But...!! Who's going to make homemade tortillas for me the next time I visit Houston and want to eat at Ninfas on Navigation???

    Can't we keep SOME of them?

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i am talking about a one time amnesty, in combination with stern enforcement of laws already in place.
    Which was supposed to be the case after the last "one time amnesty".

    What happened? Amnesty, but no stern enforcement, and thus even MORE illegals flood in and we have the same problem only larger now.

    A combination of some kind in theory would be great, but in practice is unlikely based on history. You want amnesty, or even a path to citizenship...then we need to see stern enforcement of laws already in place done FIRST, and beefed up protection at the borders with immigration reform coming second along with a path to citizenship. This would assures a good chance we will enforce the laws sternly even after amnesty and it ensures that the likelihood of people coming in after the amnesty is less.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So you support rewarding people who break the law.
    very simplistic. no, i don't. i support a one time amnesty in combination with enforcing current laws, to the maximum. it's too expensive to try to round up all illegals and deport them, why not absorb contributors and banish those without jobs?

    then, make it an offesne that carries automatic jail time for those who hire illegals, and make any aid to illegals impossible to get. then we'd see how many would cross the border.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    No, forgiving them for entering illegally by giving them a visa and allowing them to stay and work. They can work their way to green card and citizenship like the rest of the immigrants.
    Are you kidding me? As smart as Zyp's post is, this is simply beyond stupidity.

    #1, you have massive numbers of poor people all over the country - philly, new orleans, etc,. that cannot find work. If I was poor and black and unable to find a job, any job that pays a salary - which is the case for most of the black population in this nation - I'd start shooting ANY politician that supported allowing immigrants of any kind in, illegal or not. Its the poor blacks in this country who've born the burden of illegal alien and much-too-high legal immigration for far too long - the very people that the so-called liberals once defended.

    #2- clearly you like most of the fake liberal/internet teens here weren't even born yet when people like me were out protesting the tragic Reagan '86 amnesty bill, which of course only acted like a magnet to draw in millions more illegals - just as every honest adult back then knew it would.

    Rewarding criminal behaviour accomplishes one thing only - MORE of the same.

    All illegals should be deported immediately, and all employers found to be hiring them should be fined $10,000 each. If some industries try to get around this by moving production offshore, tax the shyte out of them to make up for the difference in lower wages paid.

    This will eventually, through a massive increase in prices, force companies to start increasing the typical salaries paid to the general employed staff - not just to the top executives making 950 times what the average employee makes.

    Given that the vast majority of the middle class has not had a wage increase in decades - this would be the first step towards balancing wages overall. No more BS $60 million paydays for CEOs...

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which was supposed to be the case after the last "one time amnesty".

    What happened? Amnesty, but no stern enforcement, and thus even MORE illegals flood in and we have the same problem only larger now.

    A combination of some kind in theory would be great, but in practice is unlikely based on history. You want amnesty, or even a path to citizenship...then we need to see stern enforcement of laws already in place done FIRST, and beefed up protection at the borders with immigration reform coming second along with a path to citizenship. This would assures a good chance we will enforce the laws sternly even after amnesty and it ensures that the likelihood of people coming in after the amnesty is less.
    agreed. we have to enforce our laws, but a massive deportation is too expensive. and when i say laws, i mean jail time for those who hire illegals, in combination with refusing gov't aid for illegals.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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