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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    who TF is going to do back-breaking labor for $5/hour, when welfare with tax credits pays more than that and you don't have to get off you butt?

    I think it more accurate.
    No citizen is going to do back breaking labor for five bucks an hour,which is why you raise the wages to something people are willing to do that back breaking labor for.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Forgiving them, yes.
    Forgiving them is giving them a chance to leave before they're put in prison, or sending them back off to their home country rather than imprisoning them.

    Making them a citizen, with all the rights there of, is not forgiving...that's rewarding. That's giving them something they didn't have.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this is unfortunate. i would prefer to see an amnesty of some sort for EMPLOYED illegals.
    Why amnesty when states can enact and enforce anti-illegal immigration laws on the state level? If sanctuary states don't change then all the illegals will flood to those states. It would be amusing to see how California and Newyork do with most of the 12-20 million plus illegals,especially seeing how the cost of living in those states is absurdly high.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    What's interesting is, this woman with 10 kids can go on TV to gain sympathy for herself and her 10 kids, and still not be deported. That shows how afraid of the authorities she is.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Forgiving them is giving them a chance to leave before they're put in prison, or sending them back off to their home country rather than imprisoning them.

    Making them a citizen, with all the rights there of, is not forgiving...that's rewarding. That's giving them something they didn't have.
    No, forgiving them for entering illegally by giving them a visa and allowing them to stay and work. They can work their way to green card and citizenship like the rest of the immigrants.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    I am not pro illegal, I was just pointing out what I thought was the correct term.
    "Immigrant" is the term pro-illegals use for illegals. They do that to deliberately lump those who invaded/trespassed with those who are here legally. It would be no different than lumping all Europeans and Eurotrash together just by simply calling them Eurotrash or by lumping a drunk guy who pissed in the park bushes together with a guy who molested children by calling them both sex offenders. They make up lies that illegal aliens or illegals or sometimes even illegal immigrants is either racist or offensive.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    No, forgiving them for entering illegally by giving them a visa and allowing them to stay and work. They can work their way to green card and citizenship like the rest of the immigrants.
    Can anyone get a Visa at any time or is there a waiting list and process?

    If its the former, then sure, that's forgiving.

    If its the latter, then nope...again...you're rewarding their breaking of the law by allowing them to skip the process and the line ahead of others doing it the right way.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    No, forgiving them for entering illegally by giving them a visa and allowing them to stay and work. They can work their way to green card and citizenship like the rest of the immigrants.
    Isn't that like letting a shoplifter keep a walkman that he shoplifted? You are basically suggesting that trespassers/invaders should be rewarded by being allowed to stay in this country. Maybe next you will suggest we forgive bank robbers by letting them keep the loot they stole.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can anyone get a Visa at any time or is there a waiting list and process?

    If its the former, then sure, that's forgiving.

    If its the latter, then nope...again...you're rewarding their breaking of the law by allowing them to skip the process and the line ahead of others doing it the right way.
    Their is a waiting time, and no they can't get a visa at any time they can however be denied a visa anytime. Some people may apply for a visa about 5- 20 times in one year to get a visa. Whit the Visa cards been up to $236.00 most people in Mexico can't even afford that. TO get the green card it will take years to get, or months. http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

    This is why I think that we need to make a little bit more easier for them to get a green card
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Queen View Post
    Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.

    Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.

    We'll see.....
    Initiate "workfare"....so American citizens won''t get money unless they show up for work....
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