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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SKYPE View Post
    well if you want to talk about legality then why dont you ask a native american if they ever gave YOU permission to be here?
    Oh, here it comes!

    The good old "they were here FIRST" bit.

    Every single country in the entire WORLD has the "original inhabitants" and the "we came and took it over" inhabitants. . . that is just a part of life and history and how things change.

    Even now things are still done that way - territories in the Middle East keep changing hands (for one example).
    In 200 years from now can an original inhabitant from one country that *use* to be part of another country really demand a different level of consideration because when their ancestors lived there that area was ruled by someone else?

    Even Mexico and other countries in South America have strict rules and regulations that they enforce when it comes to illegal-citizenry and squatters.

    That whole argument is aged like a skunky beer.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In 200 years from now can an original inhabitant from one country that *use* to be part of another country really demand a different level of consideration because when their ancestors lived there that area was ruled by someone else?
    Hmmm, apply this to Israel.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Hmmm, apply this to Israel.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm still waiting for a link where someone can show me how all these unemployed documented Americans are suddenly rushing to Home Depot for those day laborer jobs or running to fill out applications to work as orange pickers....you know...all those jobs that brown-skinned people were stealing from otherwise hard working Americans.
    I'd comment on the horrendous breach in logic and reason but Right's already did a great job of it in a similar thread

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    This is just terrible, terrible logic and belies a total lack of understanding of economics. Are you really arguing that the only way this law will have any impact is if US citizens start massing outside home depot, looking to build decks for $50/day? It's a bit more complex than that.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Second - You have to come up with a realistic Amnesty program. It is completely unrealistic to believe that you can deport (or that you SHOULD for that matter) millions of people who have lived in this country for the vast majority of their lives.
    Based on...what?

    Because Disney dude said so?

    Not on history, as we had a program that did just that years ago.

    Not on financial means, at least not if the current and past administration is anything to go buy. Bush ran up record deficits and now Obama is making him look like a fool kid playing with Monopoly Money with the deficits he's running. So don't tell me its a financial issue when he's wasting trillions of dollars "stimulating" people to fill in pot holes.

    Not on man power, we hired tens of thousands of census workers in the span of a year. I'm sure if need be we could fill in non-law enforcement positions needed in such an endevour without too much issue, and in regard to the law enforcement positions...I don't know...have law enforcement do their job.

    Am I saying its 100% possible? Absolutely not. But its absolutely ridiculous to suggest its not realistic or its somehow not possible based on nothing, absolutely positively NOTHING of substance other than opinion supported by nothing else but other opinion.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'd comment on the horrendous breach in logic and reason but Right's already did a great job of it in a similar thread
    Where is the breach?

    All of you people are complaining that the brown-skinned people are taking away jobs that Americans otherwise would take.

    If that is true....why haven't we seen all these unemployed workers rushing to take these jobs?
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Where is the breach?

    All of you people are complaining that the brown-skinned people are taking away jobs that Americans otherwise would take.

    If that is true....why haven't we seen all these unemployed workers rushing to take these jobs?
    Where to begin...

    One, it assumes that the only jobs that are affected by this are the ones where people were lining up in front of the home depot.

    Two, it assumes that if the jobs aren't filled in exactly the same fashion they were by illegals that they're not being filled

    Three, it assumes that somehow in the matter of a month we're going to be seeing drastic results, both in the amount of people that leave and the amount of people that enter back into the work force.

    Four, it assumes that job increase, and specifically seemingly for your illogical assumption only jobs that people got from out front of the home depot, was the only benefit to the bill people spoke about in regards to the financial benefits of it.

    But truly, thanks for your ignorant and bigoted stereotyping of anyone that supports this law as being people "Complaining about the brown-skinned people". How wonderfully intolerant and stereotyping of you Disney.

    What next? After ranting about people hating "The brown people" will you insinuate that all "white people" that are out of jobs are lazy sacks that sit on their couch in their underwear eating potato chips and watching TV? Aren't you one that usually rants and raves at some Republicans on here that suggest many of the poor and out of work are that way because they're not putting the effort to actually get off their ass and doing it?

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Hmmm, apply this to Israel.
    Not even close, for 3 reasons:

    1) jews were expelled, not left voluntarily, out of europe/arab nations

    2) jews, unlike mexicans or brazilians, do not have a home to go back to if they moved somewhere for economic reasons

    3) historically, jews have been ethnically cleansed or killed by their host countries. mexicans or guatemalans cannot make this claim.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Where is the breach?

    All of you people are complaining that the brown-skinned people are taking away jobs that Americans otherwise would take.

    If that is true....why haven't we seen all these unemployed workers rushing to take these jobs?
    Simple, its the basic rules of economics: the massive influx of illegals has driven the salaries of these positions down to where it is not economically viable for what is known as the working poor to be able to perform these jobs, and still eke out a living for their families.

    At one time, the salaries were relatively higher to the rest of full-time work, so that one could accept working at a retailer like Home Depot FT and survive - but as in the case of construction, etc., the compensation of many fields have been driven so low as to make them completely unacceptable.

    To an illegal, however, whose family still resides in Latin America with a far lower cost of living, the funds remitted out of the US are substantial.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Not even close, for 3 reasons:

    1) jews were expelled, not left voluntarily, out of europe/arab nations

    2) jews, unlike mexicans or brazilians, do not have a home to go back to if they moved somewhere for economic reasons

    3) historically, jews have been ethnically cleansed or killed by their host countries. mexicans or guatemalans cannot make this claim.
    1) Native Americans were extinguished.

    2) Brazilians?

    3) Native Americans can make this claim.
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