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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In what way is asking people that have been stopped for other criminal activity for their proof of residency completely wrong? And what would be "completely right?" Face it DD...ya got nothing. You bitch, whine, and moan because Arizona has bothered to enact state legislation to actually combat a problem...but when it comes to actual enforcment at a federal level you are a blank slate.

    The INS has less requirments when it comes to enforcing the law then does the Arizona law. The INS can act on random anonymous tips...can pull into fields or job sites...no probable cause...no nothing. And if they actually DO...what then will be the cry?
    You obviously don't understand the law. It applies to fa more than people being stopped for "other criminal activity" Read the law and then get back to me.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    People already ARE leaving California...your taxpayers are. They have been leaving since the 80's and your population has been filled by illegals that LOVE California for the 'freesources'. And you guys laugh and laugh and laugh...meanwhile your cities are tunring into the same kind of toilet mexico is and your state is 50-60 billion in debt and on the verge of bantruptcy.

    Oh LOLOLOLOL...
    You obviously haven't spent much time in California....
    Sure...California is having a hard time living through GWB's economic disaster....as are most every state. But like the rest of America...we are pulling out of it.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously don't understand the law. It applies to fa more than people being stopped for "other criminal activity" Read the law and then get back to me.

    Really? Do tell what earth shattering bigoted language you have uncovered in the 16 page law? Provide that for us to discuss please.


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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously don't understand the law.

    Please enlighten us.

    It applies to fa more than people being stopped for "other criminal activity"

    You are going to have to quote the section of the law that says this, if you want to make your point, as I don't read it that way.

    Read the law and then get back to me.

    I have read the law, it does not say what you say it does.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously haven't spent much time in California....
    Sure...California is having a hard time living through GWB's economic disaster....as are most every state. But like the rest of America...we are pulling out of it.
    Are you going to ignore this reponse?

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    LOL....People are going to leave California for places like Idaho and Kansas? THAT's a good one.

    I'm assuming you're joking:

    The Business Relocation Coach: California's Hostile Business Climate: 100 'Moving-Out-of-State' Events (See newer list)

    "There is a disproportionate number of listings of companies moving to northern Idaho and the Spokane area. This is primarily because the Spokane Spokesman-Review has done a superior job of covering companies moving into the region; hence, the moves are easier to find online."

    Tax refugees staging escape from New York - NYPOST.com

    Tax refugees staging escape from New York

    "New Yorkers are fleeing the state and city in alarming numbers -- and costing a fortune in lost tax dollars, a new study shows.
    More than 1.5 million state residents left for other parts of the United States from 2000 to 2008, according to the report from the Empire Center for New York State Policy. It was the biggest out-of-state migration in the country."
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Now I KNOW you are grasping at straws...how can a person become a citizen, if they are physically not in the country?
    Allow me to name a single instance: Military Naturalization.

    When one serves in the military, they are exempt from residency requirements.



    It refers to an invasion of any kind...
    No, it doesn't.


    And the K-resolutions were not accepted, so what's the point? And Jefferson also said slavery was legal, perhaps we should accept all and every thing he wrote as gospel? I think not...
    Slavery was legal. Do you think it was illegal or something?

    When you bring up mythical constitutional scholars (whom you never cited, but instead just alluded to their mythical existence), I rebut by actually pointing you towards an exact document written by people who helped write the constitutions itself (one of whom is called the "Father of the Constitution), you respond with this?

    Dodge much?

    For obvious reasons to those not playing games, it makes far more sense for the federal government to retain singular authority over immigration, since illegals and legals could just move to another state - which is what is happening as they leave AZ toward sanctuary areas. Since only a uniform, national policy can be argued, a state-level patchwork of legislation would be a disaster.
    It is your opinion that it makes more sense, but it's really just rationalizing your liberal positions and the Federal usurping of State Sovereignty.

    That's fine if that is your position. Just as it is fine for me to accurately point out it's liberal basis in judicial activism and liberalism.

    Which is why the AZ law simply affirmed what the feds already have in place, they are simply going to enforce it where the feds have abdicated enforcement of their own rules.
    The feds never had legitimate authority to pass those laws so Arizona passing them is perfectly fine with me. Leaving it to the states themselves is as it should be.
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    In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously don't understand the law. It applies to fa more than people being stopped for "other criminal activity" Read the law and then get back to me.
    I have read the law. You see...unlike the presidents attorney general (and I suspect the president and 90% of the people that blather on here...)...I like to have at least a CLUE before I bleat on about things. Like for example the thing everyone says they fear the most...you DO get that profiling is specifically addressed...right?

    Now...since you cant stand this horribly unfair law that require speople to show ID (you know...that horrible civil rights violation we ALL have to endure when we want to...oh...write a check...use a credit card...buy a plane ticket...enter federal buildings...board an airplane...etc...) how exactly would YOU like to see the federal laws enforced?

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously haven't spent much time in California....
    Sure...California is having a hard time living through GWB's economic disaster....as are most every state. But like the rest of America...we are pulling out of it.
    Bull**** you are pulling out of it...the federal government had to grant you 40 billion dollars just to let you survive another year. Your state was bankrupt under Grey Davis. Its bankrupt under Ahnuld. It will be bankrupt under your next governor...because you tax the hell out of your people and still cant control your spending.

    Yeah...being born there...living there...I dont know anything about California...except that I dont ever want to go back.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Allow me to name a single instance: Military Naturalization. When one serves in the military, they are exempt from residency requirements.
    Keep reaching, you might get lucky and land something...

    No, it doesn't.
    Oh, you say so, so that's it...

    Slavery was legal. Do you think it was illegal or something?
    Since you seem to want to argue without reason, I'll spell it out for you - that one of the founding fathers made a statement, does not make it above god. Jefferson et al were fallible, and that he proffered something you agree with does not make it anymore legitimate than if a homeless person says it today.

    When you bring up mythical constitutional scholars (whom you never cited, but instead just alluded to their mythical existence),
    I need to bring in weather experts to prove clouds exist? The conventional wisdom is that only the federal government - for reasons obvious to most rational, honest individuals - has the authority to create immigration law.

    If Texas decides to open its borders to the world, and NM wants to close its borders, how would the country function? I am not going to argue with you further on this point, soon you will argue that each state can form its own army, its own navy, etc., you are beginning to just waste my time...

    That's fine if that is your position. Just as it is fine for me to accurately point out it's liberal basis in judicial activism and liberalism.
    You want to call rational considerations "liberal", fine, your "arguments are absurd, and you cannot even defend them reasonably - just try to insult.

    Future replies need to bring substance, or they'll be ignored.
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