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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

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    Not in the least...
    You haven't understood my position thus far, so how the hell would you be able to tell?
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

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    The Mexicans that I have known complain loudly against their horribly corrupt government and Police forces at all levels. It seems as though they are forced to live like Iraqis under Saddam Hussein.

    Let's build a massive wall on the north side of the Panama Canal. Then we can depose of the current governments and add 7 or 8 more states to the US.

    Operation Mexican Freedom.

    The wall at the canal would be much cheaper to build.
    Yeah, they have weapons of mass construction. The ones GW said Iraq had. Damn, I knew they had be some where. We need to invade them, so we can save them. Maybe we can appoint Cheney as our sec. Fear and spin.

    I can see where it makes sense. We eliminate illegal aliens and illegal border crossing. And, then we make them all speak english.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    You know the funny thing is many are not going back to Merxico. They are going to the other 49 states. Why? The feds and other states don't enfoce the immigration laws, and AZ is hurting for construction workk.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Then it's up to the States to pass their own laws about Immigration to protect their own money, which is already my stated preference.
    I guess the US constitution is not relevant to you, immigration policy can only be dealt with at the federal level; the states can only affirm what federal legislation already exists, which is what AZ did, and so many cannot seem to grasp.

    Deportation ain't free. To deport 12 million people would, according to Julie Myers (Republican), cost around $94 billion. That's at the low end. I've seen expected costs ranging up to $285 billion.
    Actually, it would cost very little. Pass a law penalizing employers for $100,000 per illegal hired, and the vast majority of illegals would leave on their own as they would not be able to get hired - no employer would place their entire business in jeopardy. Plenty of illegals are leaving now on their own due to the weakened economy, so it wouldn't be that difficult.

    A constitutional amendment retro-action to say, 1990, that a baby born to illegal aliens is not a citizen would also help: so that no anchor babies could/would exist anymore.

    And that's just to get rid of the ones that are here. It doesn't include the costs of preventing them from re-entering. Them not being here would cost more than them being here.
    With extreme penalties for employers or anyone caught hiring illegals, and massive enforcement of said penalties, with strengthened border patrol, my guess is that illegals would lose interest in coming into the US, it just wouldn't be a reasonable option anymore.

    So how is pointing out the most economical solution to the illegal immigration problem "irrelevant"?
    Because the US Constitution does not contain provisions allowing the deportation of US citizens, and the revoking of their citizenship, for being "lazy."

    Because you are not equipped to debate against my points if you haven't even started to comprehend my points.
    This thread is about illegal aliens. If you would like to initiate a thread about deporting lazy citizens whom you do not like, please, by all means...

    Spare the melodrama. If you aren't intellectually honest enough to actually consider the very economical solutions I've proposed that would save our country hundreds of billions of dollars every single year, at least have the decency to not drag the discussion down to melodramatic hysterics.
    So would forcing everyone to use fans instead of a/c, but how is that relevant to a thread on illegal aliens?
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    I guess the US constitution is not relevant to you, immigration policy can only be dealt with at the federal level; the states can only affirm what federal legislation already exists, which is what AZ did, and so many cannot seem to grasp.
    Absolutely false.

    Show me exactly where immigration and residency is mentioned in the constitution. (hint: nowhere)

    While you search in vain for that mythical beast, try looking up Jefferson's statements on this issue from the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Actually, it would cost very little. Pass a law penalizing employers for $100,000 per illegal hired, and the vast majority of illegals would leave on their own as they would not be able to get hired - no employer would place their entire business in jeopardy. Plenty of illegals are leaving now on their own due to the weakened economy, so it wouldn't be that difficult.
    If states want to do that, it is their right. And enforcing laws costs money. We've got to pay for due process, etc. These things aren't free, except in your imagination.

    A constitutional amendment retro-action to say, 1990, that a baby born to illegal aliens is not a citizen would also help: so that no anchor babies could/would exist anymore.
    Typical liberal nonsense. Pass new federal laws to increase governmental authority.

    With extreme penalties for employers or anyone caught hiring illegals, and massive enforcement of said penalties, with strengthened border patrol, my guess is that illegals would lose interest in coming into the US, it just wouldn't be a reasonable option anymore.
    And what do propose to do about the losses in revenue from decreased profits for these companies and the increased cost of products overall? Are these not factored into your scenario?


    Because the US Constitution does not contain provisions allowing the deportation of US citizens, and the revoking of their citizenship, for being "lazy."
    It also doesn't contain provisions to deport illegal immigrants, but you are fine with pretending that it does so why can't I play around in the same fantasyland anti-illegals so love to play in?


    This thread is about illegal aliens. If you would like to initiate a thread about deporting lazy citizens whom you do not like, please, by all means...
    And I'm presenting solutions. You aren't the authority on what belongs or does not belong in this thread, so stop pretending you are.


    So would forcing everyone to use fans instead of a/c, but how is that relevant to a thread on illegal aliens?
    Because you wouldn't replace A/C with illegals, while the citizens would be replaced with illegals in my proposed solution. Try and keep up with what you pretend to be capable of rebutting.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Absolutely false.

    Show me exactly where immigration and residency is mentioned in the constitution. (hint: nowhere)

    While you search in vain for that mythical beast, try looking up Jefferson's statements on this issue from the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798.
    Sure, in Article 1, Section 8, where Congress is charged with and responsible to establish uniform rules of naturalization. This enumeration was necessary to avoid the “several states” from enacting different laws affecting immigration and thus a uniform standard was and is necessary for the nation.

    Further, Constitutional scholars argue that enforcement of uniform immigration rules are covered under Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution which in part holds the Federal Government responsible to protect the states …”against invasion and domestic violence” upon application of the Legislature (Congress) or the Executive (President) when the Legislature cannot be convened.

    Most Constitutional scholars interpret these sections of the Constitution as placing the responsibility for making the law and enforcing that law, on the Federal Government.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If states want to do that, it is their right. And enforcing laws costs money. We've got to pay for due process, etc. These things aren't free, except in your imagination.
    The FBI and INS already exist, so unlike homeland security, new agencies won't be needed. Further, just the threat of a massive per illegal fine would be enough to chill the hiring of them, sending most back out of the country voluntarily.

    Typical liberal nonsense. Pass new federal laws to increase governmental authority.
    Where did I suggest "new federal laws"? Increasing penalties for already extant crimes is not an extension of legislation, its a confirmation of already existing law.

    And stop with the infantile labeling, besides the fact that it is obvious that my views are FAR from liberal, it is only undermining your non-existent arguments by trying to personally insult, and that you are a moderator makes it even worse.

    How about upholding the forum rules? Or do mods get a pass?

    And what do propose to do about the losses in revenue from decreased profits for these companies and the increased cost of products overall? Are these not factored into your scenario?
    The country survived quite well for almost 200 years without massive illegal alien employment.

    I also find it hilarious that you are attacking a cross section of the US demographic for being "lazy and unproductive," who are the same people that the illegal aliens are displacing out of the jobs that they would be traditionally taking.

    If these lower-skilled jobs paid living wages - then the bottom sections of society would be able to find work that would make them more productive citizens. Yet you attack them because they cannot find work - because these jobs are all held by illegals, at wage levels unsustainable in the US - but if sent abroad, provide a splendid level of compensation for a 3rd-world country...

    It also doesn't contain provisions to deport illegal immigrants, but you are fine with pretending that it does so why can't I play around in the same fantasyland anti-illegals so love to play in?
    See post above, there are very few instances in the Constitution that refer to what type of punishment can be interred on a crime outside of treason - does that mean that the federal government is unable to do punish any crimes committed?

    And I'm presenting solutions. You aren't the authority on what belongs or does not belong in this thread, so stop pretending you are.
    I think you've reached maximum frustration and just run out of gas.

    And by solution, do you refer to your silly idea of mass deporting millions of US citizens you deem "unproductive"?

    Because you wouldn't replace A/C with illegals, while the citizens would be replaced with illegals in my proposed solution. Try and keep up with what you pretend to be capable of rebutting.
    Come up with a constitutionally legitimate, rational offering, and stop the insults, its unbecoming of a moderator, and is not making your points any stronger.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    You know the funny thing is many are not going back to Merxico. They are going to the other 49 states. Why? The feds and other states don't enfoce the immigration laws, and AZ is hurting for construction workk.
    I doubt they're hopping a convoy to Hawaii

    But, yes, it does suck that only one state is seriously fighting this on their own - all other states need to hop on board. They will, though - they will once the problem actually migrates and brings the drama with them.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I doubt they're hopping a convoy to Hawaii

    But, yes, it does suck that only one state is seriously fighting this on their own - all other states need to hop on board. They will, though - they will once the problem actually migrates and brings the drama with them.
    Arizona isn't "seriously fighting this on their own". Arizona's law is nothing other than a poorly written feel-good POS that is intended to rile up people looking for a scapegoat. It does nothing to actually address the real immigration problem.

    Yes, we need immigration reform, but this type of law is the completely wrong way to go about it.
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