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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Ummmm, good? This is good news to me, frankly. Illegal immigrants should return to their country of origin, since they are breaking our laws by being here.

    buh-bye, now.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post

    Outstanding, now we need to enact a federal law similar to the Arizona law and they will leave the country, problem solved.
    That's what I've been saying.
    But this would likely not work as a natl law.

    All we need do tho, is sanction employERS of illegals with:
    1. Serious fines. Starting at $5000 per violation.
    2. Fines and Jail time for second violations.

    Simple really.
    It would all be over in a few days- after they raided ie, the biggest 50 restaurants in LA, etc.
    I live in NYC and the cleaner across the street is ALL Mexican illegals.
    The Diner next to them.. the same.
    And so it goes.

    Nice to see what a real minimum wage would look like too. Probably more like $10 without the phony huge illegal pool, and before our college kids take what will then become decent jobs.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    This is good news. My wife told me that one of the local tv stations interviewed a similar family. The husband and wife came to the US illegally 10years ago. Had a bunch of kids. They are leaving Arizona. They think they will head to Colorado.

    The reporter had to use an interpreter. Neither parent could speak english. So much for assimilating into the US.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I like the way CBS news calls them 'immigrants', not 'illegal immigrants'.
    Right under the headline of linked story:

    At Least 100,000 Illegal Immigrants Flee the State Fearing Legislation
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.

    Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.

    We'll see.....
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Queen View Post
    Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.

    Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.

    We'll see.....
    Funny, I have a family member who owns and runs a landscaping company in Tempe. Neither he nor anyone on his payroll is an illegal immigrant. I know several restaurant owners in the area too, they don't have anyone washing dishes for them that is not a legal citizen. Can't speak for the house cleaning but strongly suspect there are plenty of people in this economy to fill that role. We won't go into the fruit picking jobs lost in Arizona for fairly obvious reasons, mostly Obama's "work card" program.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Queen View Post
    Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.

    Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.

    We'll see.....

    If those businesses can not find citizens to do those jobs for minimum wage then logic would dictate that minimum wage is not enough to do those jobs. And even if they can not find any citizens to work those jobs no matter how high they raise the pay or what benefits they include, there is a legal means for an employer to employ foreign workers(of course they means paying that migrant worker what the national wage is for that job. So this boo hoo we won't be able to find any workers to replace illegals is a load of crap.

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    Employers anticipating a shortage of agricultural workers and in need must apply at least 45 days before certification is necessary. This means an active effort, including newspaper and radio advertising, in areas of expected labor supply. Such recruitment must be at least equivalent to that conducted by non-H-2A agricultural employers in the same or similar crops and area. The employer must agree to give preference and engage in active recruitment of U.S. workers. The H-2A certification is valid for up to 364 days. As temporary or seasonal agricultural employment, the work is performed during certain seasons of the year or for a limited time period of less than one year when the employer can show that the need for the foreign worker is truly temporary. [2]

    Before the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) can approve an employer's petition for such workers, the employer must file an application with the U.S. Department of Labor stating that there are not sufficient workers who are able, willing, qualified, and available, and that the employment of aliens will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers. The statute and departmental regulations provide for numerous worker protections and employer requirements with respect to wages and working conditions that do not apply to nonagricultural programs. The Department's Employment and Training Administration (ETA) administers the labor certification program, while the Wage and Hour Division, Employment Standards Administration (ESA) has responsibility for enforcing provisions of worker contracts. [3]

    In employing a worker, the employer must guarantee to offer each worker employment for at least three-fourths of the workdays in the term of the contract period. If the employer affords less employment, then the employer is obligated to pay the amount of which they would have earned if they had worked the contracted period.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    I see a lot of yellow lawns and green pools in Arizona's future. Fast food is sure to slow down too.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If those businesses can not find citizens to do those jobs for minimum wage then logic would dictate that minimum wage is not enough to do those jobs. And even if they can not find any citizens to work those jobs no matter how high they raise the pay or what benefits they include, there is a legal means for an employer to employ foreign workers(of course they means paying that migrant worker what the national wage is for that job. So this boo hoo we won't be able to find any workers to replace illegals is a load of crap.
    It's always been a load of crap.
    I'm pretty liberal on immigration but when it comes to guest worker programs and things of that nature I get steamed.

    This has been going on for so long that the prevailing wage for some of these industries has been dropped to minimum wage.
    Industries will exploit the guest worker programs to hell.

    I checked my states Department of Labor job board to find some part time work and the veggie/fruit picker pay has gone down.
    It used to be in the mid to upper $8, now it's at minimum wage.
    That is some real ass busting work.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I see a lot of yellow lawns and green pools in Arizona's future. Fast food is sure to slow down too.
    Niggling lil problem with that bromide is that most "fast food" is a corporate endeavor and most certainly not hiring illegal immigrants. Thanks be to God that the sacrifice of green pools and yellow lawns (most lawns I have seen in AZ are pebble or of the colorful rock variety or completely free of grass) is a truly tolerable one compared to the billions of dollars in cost and effect that illegal immigration has upon the US and this state. Somehow I suspect all three situations (oh the horror!) won't last too long.

    But there you have it folks, we better not enforce actual immigration laws, because of yellow lawns and green pools and fast food! Talk about priorities.
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