But this would likely not work as a natl law.
All we need do tho, is sanction employERS of illegals with:
1. Serious fines. Starting at $5000 per violation.
2. Fines and Jail time for second violations.
It would all be over in a few days- after they raided ie, the biggest 50 restaurants in LA, etc.
I live in NYC and the cleaner across the street is ALL Mexican illegals.
The Diner next to them.. the same.
And so it goes.
Nice to see what a real minimum wage would look like too. Probably more like $10 without the phony huge illegal pool, and before our college kids take what will then become decent jobs.
Last edited by mbig; 05-03-10 at 11:14 PM.
I'm personally sick of not being able to dunk a basketball because of racism.
This is good news. My wife told me that one of the local tv stations interviewed a similar family. The husband and wife came to the US illegally 10years ago. Had a bunch of kids. They are leaving Arizona. They think they will head to Colorado.
The reporter had to use an interpreter. Neither parent could speak english. So much for assimilating into the US.
"I can explain it to you but, I can't understand it for you"
Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.
Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.
Enough with the dirty, deadly and disgusting oil and coal. Let's get clean, let's go green. Enough is enough!!
If those businesses can not find citizens to do those jobs for minimum wage then logic would dictate that minimum wage is not enough to do those jobs. And even if they can not find any citizens to work those jobs no matter how high they raise the pay or what benefits they include, there is a legal means for an employer to employ foreign workers(of course they means paying that migrant worker what the national wage is for that job. So this boo hoo we won't be able to find any workers to replace illegals is a load of crap.
H-2A Visa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Process of Employment
Employers anticipating a shortage of agricultural workers and in need must apply at least 45 days before certification is necessary. This means an active effort, including newspaper and radio advertising, in areas of expected labor supply. Such recruitment must be at least equivalent to that conducted by non-H-2A agricultural employers in the same or similar crops and area. The employer must agree to give preference and engage in active recruitment of U.S. workers. The H-2A certification is valid for up to 364 days. As temporary or seasonal agricultural employment, the work is performed during certain seasons of the year or for a limited time period of less than one year when the employer can show that the need for the foreign worker is truly temporary. 
Before the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) can approve an employer's petition for such workers, the employer must file an application with the U.S. Department of Labor stating that there are not sufficient workers who are able, willing, qualified, and available, and that the employment of aliens will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers. The statute and departmental regulations provide for numerous worker protections and employer requirements with respect to wages and working conditions that do not apply to nonagricultural programs. The Department's Employment and Training Administration (ETA) administers the labor certification program, while the Wage and Hour Division, Employment Standards Administration (ESA) has responsibility for enforcing provisions of worker contracts. 
In employing a worker, the employer must guarantee to offer each worker employment for at least three-fourths of the workdays in the term of the contract period. If the employer affords less employment, then the employer is obligated to pay the amount of which they would have earned if they had worked the contracted period.
Employing H-2A Workers
The wage or rate of pay must be the same for U.S. workers and H-2A workers. The hourly rate must also be at least as high as the applicable Adverse Effect Wage Rate (AEWR), federal or state minimum wage, or the applicable prevailing hourly wage rate, whichever is higher. The AEWR is established every year by the Department of Labor for every state except Alaska.
If a worker will be paid on a piece rate basis, the worker must be paid the prevailing piece as determined by the State Workers Agency, or SWA. If the piece rate does not result in average hourly piece rate earnings during the pay period at least equal to the amount the worker would have earned had the worker been paid at the hourly rate, then the worker’s pay must be supplemented to the equivalent hourly level. The piece rate offered must be no less than what is prevailing in the area for the same crop and/or activity. 
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
I see a lot of yellow lawns and green pools in Arizona's future. Fast food is sure to slow down too.
Originally Posted by Jerry
I'm pretty liberal on immigration but when it comes to guest worker programs and things of that nature I get steamed.
This has been going on for so long that the prevailing wage for some of these industries has been dropped to minimum wage.
Industries will exploit the guest worker programs to hell.
I checked my states Department of Labor job board to find some part time work and the veggie/fruit picker pay has gone down.
It used to be in the mid to upper $8, now it's at minimum wage.
That is some real ass busting work.
I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
But there you have it folks, we better not enforce actual immigration laws, because of yellow lawns and green pools and fast food! Talk about priorities.
Last edited by Sir Loin; 05-04-10 at 02:21 AM.