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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    I can't imagine hiring a stranger, picked up off the street, to do work at my home! Someone with a wide network of transient buddies.

    And people worry about selling stuff on Craigslist...

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    First they reseed your lawn, all the while casing out your home and its occupants. Next week, voila, there's a break in.

    Real smart to pick up strangers with no documentation or references to your house.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Where are you getting that 1/4 amount from?

    Also, using false SS numbers usually means that they are paying taxes.
    And what percentage do you believe are actually paid using a fake SS#?

    Most are not paid above the table, and are responsible for huge costs for hospitals and schools. The cost to the overall economy and decrease in standard of living due to the illegal aliens is enormous, they are a clear net loss for the US.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So in essence, if you took a sample of 200 people, 100 of them illegals, 100 of them citizens and looked at the amount of income taxes paid with both groups averaging $27,400 per household and 2 dependents, the illegal sample would actually have a higher amount of income tax paid after returns are filed even if only 25% of them used fake SS numbers without claiming 9 dependents. This is because none of their returns would be filed, leaving all of the income taxes paid in the system. Almost every one of the citizens would file in order to receive their returns, meaning very little (if any) of the income tax paid would actually remain in the system.
    This paragraph makes zero sense. If you are a W2, then your income taxes are ALREADY withheld, it doesn't matter if you file a return.

    Further, more claimed dependents on W2 wages means less taxes taken out, so the illegals with 9 dependents claimed pay less in taxes.

    And this claim does nothing to address that most illegals are NOT paid on the books, with large proportions of their wages sent out of the US.
    Last edited by rogerredy; 05-09-10 at 12:09 PM.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The amount towards SS and medicare that the legal group paid would be greater due to the fact that a large proportion of the illegal group would be getting paid under the table, but the illegals far lower drain on the system and inability to access the SS funds in the future more than compensates for this difference.
    This paragraph also doesn't make sense since the medical costs of illegals' use of hospitals is far greater than the legals' use of general practitioners.

    Also, the medicare deduction is far larger than that for social security, so your other claim is also wrong.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I was just talking to a friend of mine about this.

    I was told 2 stories.

    1 - An owner of a landscaping company went to where the day laborers were and tried to hire a few for a day job. The men said they would work for no less than $15.00 per hour. He offered $10.00, all under the table of course, and they refused.

    2 - My friends father was moving to a new apartment and needed help. He is 75 years old and couldn't move anything. The day laborers demanded no less than $20.00 per hour to do the work. Obviously he told them no deal. A moving company would charge less and be insured.

    These stories about illegals being taken advantage of is crap.

    They won't work for little money.
    And these 2 little anecdotes are public policy trends?

    Come to NYC and see who is delivering the restaurant food on bicycles for $2 an hour in the snow and rain.

    There are more legal protections BY FAR for the Central Park horses than there are for the bike delivery men.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    And what percentage do you believe are actually paid using a fake SS#?
    Estimates put the numebr around 50%

    Most are not paid above the table, and are responsible for huge costs for hospitals and schools.
    Actually false. Look at the links to the studies provided by cholla. Illegals are cheaper than legals overall.

    The cost to the overall economy and decrease in standard of living due to the illegal aliens is enormous, they are a clear net loss for the US.
    False
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    This paragraph makes zero sense. If you are a W2, then your income taxes are ALREADY withheld, it doesn't matter if you file a return.
    And when a return is filed the taxes come back to the W2ed employee. That's why they are called "returns".


    Further, more claimed dependents on W2 wages means less taxes taken out, so the illegals with 9 dependents claimed pay less in taxes.
    Not when returns are factored in

    And this claim does nothing to address that most illegals are NOT paid on the books, with large proportions of their wages sent out of the US.
    The first part of this sentence is false. All of the facts indicate teh exact opposite. Perhaps some research on the subject would Alleviate your misunderstandings.

    What they do with their wages after they've earned them would be no different if they were legal and it is nobody's business but their own.

    I don't get why liberals are always so interested in controlling how people spend the money that they earn.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    This paragraph also doesn't make sense since the medical costs of illegals' use of hospitals is far greater than the legals' use of general practitioners.
    It only makes sense when one is not ignorant of the actual facts. I again implore you to look at the links provided by cholla. The study was performed by a group that is opposed to illegal immigrants, so you can pretty much trust that they aren't ****ing with the numbers that support my arguments.

    But if you believe nonsense rhetoric instead of facts, the paragraph obviously won't make any sense.

    Also, the medicare deduction is far larger than that for social security, so your other claim is also wrong.
    And illegals aren't using medicare, they are using medicaid, which is funded differently.

    So which claim of mine, specifically, is wrong?
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Isn't the use of a stolen or fake SSN perjury and a felony? And 50% of illegals are using them. Damn, thats somewhere around 6 to 10 million potential felons in our country that are not supposed to be here. And people who defend these criminals claim that they are honest hard working people. Sounds to me like they belong in prison.
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