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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    And they still don't have to determine whether they are legitimate or not. Fake ID's aren't that hard to get.
    Fake ID's that match the state ones here are. In fact the state just changed them to a new ID a few months ago. Replacing an ID that was just issued a couple of years ago for the same reasons. All to avoid just what you are talking about. They use holograms and they have to scan with all encoded data as well. Ain't yet seen the fake ID maker at a flea market that can do that, and getting a hold of a fake valid social security card is not easy either. But if someone has the money and resources I'm sure they can secure fake ID's and maybe even get away with using them. Which addresses my initial comments how? Oh it does not. Yellow lawns, green polls and a supposed short fall in fast food workers are hardly very good reasons not to address illegal immigration.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Brilliant Idea. It makes so much sense because Mexico is just like Iraq, what with its dictator in control who killed thousands of citizens and had mass burial sites around the country. And since like Iraq it has countles U.N. security council violations, almost all of which theoritically could've called for force it makes even more sense. Plus because we all know that Mexico is a state sponsor of terror abroad it fits right in with the War On Terror.

    Thank you Mickey! I never realized how Mexico is just like Iraq before, we definitely should be invading it.

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    annex, yes, but only after the citizens vote their approval, and I bet a large percentage of them would...
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Outstanding, now we need to enact a federal law similar to the Arizona law and they will leave the country, problem solved.
    It is already against federal law to be in the United States....ummm..."illegally".

    What we need are Americans in the political offices currently held by the traitors who refuse to enforce these laws.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Invade? no...
    annex, yes, but only after the citizens vote their approval, and I bet a large percentage of them would...
    It would be the largest voter turnout in Mexico's history. The YES votes would carry by a landslide.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm sure some do, but the claim you made was essentially that they all do, which I know for a fact is not true.

    Also, Medicare and social security would still be withheld which is more than "hardly anything".
    I didn't mean to imply that they all do. I'm sure it sounded that way though. My bad.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I didn't mean to imply that they all do. I'm sure it sounded that way though. My bad.
    Ah, then we're not really in disagreement.

    Even if the majority did claim 9 dependents, their income is low enough on average that they wouldn't realy pay anything in income taxes anyway (average household income of $27,400 with an average of two dependents).

    So in essence, if you took a sample of 200 people, 100 of them illegals, 100 of them citizens and looked at the amount of income taxes paid with both groups averaging $27,400 per household and 2 dependents, the illegal sample would actually have a higher amount of income tax paid after returns are filed even if only 25% of them used fake SS numbers without claiming 9 dependents. This is because none of their returns would be filed, leaving all of the income taxes paid in the system. Almost every one of the citizens would file in order to receive their returns, meaning very little (if any) of the income tax paid would actually remain in the system.

    On top of that, the average drain on resources associated between the two groups would be much higher for the citizens (about double).

    The study cited by Cholla shows that the average federal fiscal cost of an illegal household was about 54% less than that of a legal household.

    The amount towards SS and medicare that the legal group paid would be greater due to the fact that a large proportion of the illegal group would be getting paid under the table, but the illegals far lower drain on the system and inability to access the SS funds in the future more than compensates for this difference.

    Which is why I support and promote the deportation of all natural-born citizens who fit the same educational and skill criteria as illegals do on average and replacing them with illegals. It would be a boon to the economy.

    On top of that, at least the illegal has done something to earn their place in America, even if it is illegal. Whereas the natural-born citizen usually hasn't done anything to earn their place. For the most part, those citizens who have done something to earn their place (such as military service) tend to fall outside the criteria.

    On top of that, the citizens are clearly documented and would be easy to round up and deport.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Can anyone get a Visa at any time or is there a waiting list and process?

    If its the former, then sure, that's forgiving.

    If its the latter, then nope...again...you're rewarding their breaking of the law by allowing them to skip the process and the line ahead of others doing it the right way.
    I know here in Mexico to get a Visa for the US you have to have been employeed at the same job for over 2 years, own your own home, and have money in the bank.

    It is not easy to get a visa for the US.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This friendly nation is being run solely by drug lords and the most vicious gangs in the Americas. Ninety percent of this country's drug problem comes across this border.
    Not true at all.

    The country is not being run by the cartels, just a few towns have violence problems.

    The central government is not run by them.

    Where do you get your information?

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I know here in Mexico to get a Visa for the US you have to have been employeed at the same job for over 2 years, own your own home, and have money in the bank.

    It is not easy to get a visa for the US.
    Depends on the type of Visa

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    I can tell you that illegals won't do backbreaking labor for 5 bucks either, 10 bucks yes
    I was just talking to a friend of mine about this.

    I was told 2 stories.

    1 - An owner of a landscaping company went to where the day laborers were and tried to hire a few for a day job. The men said they would work for no less than $15.00 per hour. He offered $10.00, all under the table of course, and they refused.

    2 - My friends father was moving to a new apartment and needed help. He is 75 years old and couldn't move anything. The day laborers demanded no less than $20.00 per hour to do the work. Obviously he told them no deal. A moving company would charge less and be insured.

    These stories about illegals being taken advantage of is crap.

    They won't work for little money.

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