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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    No, they don't. They claim 9 dependents throught the year which means that hardly anything is withheld, if anything, and then they don't file at the end of the year.
    Where are you getting that info regarding the claiming 9 dependents?
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Where are you getting that info regarding the claiming 9 dependents?
    My wife (restaraunt) and my brother in law (construction) both have had employees that have done this. I am getting ready to leave, so I'll have to find a link for you later.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    My wife (restaraunt) and my brother in law (construction) both have had employees that have done this. I am getting ready to leave, so I'll have to find a link for you later.
    I'm sure some do, but the claim you made was essentially that they all do, which I know for a fact is not true.

    Also, Medicare and social security would still be withheld which is more than "hardly anything".
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Mango View Post
    illegal immigrants provide a source of cheap labor for many farms and businesses. If you get rid of this labor suddenly, there will be consequences, good, bad or both. For example: if farmers have to pay their help more, they will have to charge more for their products which means that stores will have to charge more. If a restaurant has to pay its employees more, they will have to charge more for the food. Those two examples are just the tip of the iceberg. Its not as easy as mass deportations. You have to take into account the impact this has on businesses and the economy.
    Oh no apples will cost 10 dollars a pound a tomato will 10 dollars a piece.(sarcasm)

    CNN.com - Transcripts
    TUCKER: So what if wages rose and conditions improved dramatically? Would consumers have to dig a lot deeper into their pocket to pay for their fruits and vegetables?

    The simple, bottom-line answer is no. In fact, wages could rise by 40 percent, according to one study, rising above the poverty level. And the average food bill for fresh fruits and vegetables would increase by less than $10 a year.

    PROF. PHIL MARTIN, UNIV. OF CALIF. DAVIS: The important thing for Americans to understand is that they don't spend much on fresh fruits and vegetables, and farmers don't get very much of the retail dollar. On a $1 head of lettuce, the farmer gets about 18 cents, and the cost of wages and benefits is about six cents.

    TUCKER: The average American family spends $370 on fresh fruits and veggies. Of that, only $65 goes to the farmer. Farm workers get $22 of the farmer's share. The remaining $305 is split up by the companies which transport the food, wholesalers, marketers, and grocery stores.


    The Seattle Times: Local News: Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices


    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices call it the "illegal-worker discount" is surprisingly small.

    The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

    The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born represents only a sliver of the retail price.

    Consider those apples Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

    At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.

    And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 hours for an acre of wheat.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But...!! Who's going to make homemade tortillas for me the next time I visit Houston and want to eat at Ninfas on Navigation???

    Can't we keep SOME of them?
    You gonna adopt some out of your own pocket?
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    The Mexicans that I have known complain loudly against their horribly corrupt government and Police forces at all levels. It seems as though they are forced to live like Iraqis under Saddam Hussein.

    Let's build a massive wall on the north side of the Panama Canal. Then we can depose of the current governments and add 7 or 8 more states to the US.

    Operation Mexican Freedom.

    The wall at the canal would be much cheaper to build.
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The Mexicans that I have known complain loudly against their horribly corrupt government and Police forces at all levels. It seems as though they are forced to live like Iraqis under Saddam Hussein.

    Let's build a massive wall on the north side of the Panama Canal. Then we can depose of the current governments and add 7 or 8 more states to the US.

    Operation Mexican Freedom.

    The wall at the canal would be much cheaper to build.
    Sounds like a good plan to me, but I'd build the wall on the south side of the canal.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Sounds like a good plan to me, but I'd build the wall on the south side of the canal.
    Back in Teddy Roosevelt's day, we could have gotten away with that. We should have taken all the islands in the Caribbean as well...
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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Back in Teddy Roosevelt's day, we could have gotten away with that. We should have taken all the islands in the Caribbean as well...
    Absolutely... if we had we wouldn't need passports get some sun today.

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    Re: Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The Mexicans that I have known complain loudly against their horribly corrupt government and Police forces at all levels. It seems as though they are forced to live like Iraqis under Saddam Hussein.

    Let's build a massive wall on the north side of the Panama Canal. Then we can depose of the current governments and add 7 or 8 more states to the US.

    Operation Mexican Freedom.

    The wall at the canal would be much cheaper to build.
    Brilliant Idea. It makes so much sense because Mexico is just like Iraq, what with its dictator in control who killed thousands of citizens and had mass burial sites around the country. And since like Iraq it has countles U.N. security council violations, almost all of which theoritically could've called for force it makes even more sense. Plus because we all know that Mexico is a state sponsor of terror abroad it fits right in with the War On Terror.

    Thank you Mickey! I never realized how Mexico is just like Iraq before, we definitely should be invading it.


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