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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What this boils down to is what it has always boiled down to. A lot of people want drilling, refineries, and everything that goes along with it. They just don't want it in their own back yards. As long as it is in someone else's, they are cool with it. But is drilling really all that dangerous? In comparison to sending our money out to terrorist regimes in the Middle East, drilling may be a less dangerous option.
    You have really articulated something here that I fully agree with. One thing that really makes me crazy about my fellow liberals is that they really don't get that we face trade-offs. We can't have it all.

    Alot of liberals want energy independence. I am one of them, and it is one of my top priorities. When I decided to get behind oil drilling, it was with the full knowledge that someday, somewhere there would be a spill. We just can't do it right 100% of the time with this stuff, since there are just too many variables.

    Well, the spill came sooner rather than later, unfortunately.

    Now, we'll be that much more entrenched into having to defend the Middle East for the next 50 years from increasingly greedy powers. Mark my words, eventually they will come for the oil. The less we drill, here, the more we'll have to defend there.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Lol What does that have to do with anything? So the Kennedy's hate America, I guess Kennedy hated America so god damn much that they moved here, and settled here in the first place I love America, and I don't want off shore drilling off the gulf coast..... The Kennedy's love America just as much as other people do. Off Shore drilling is not going to be happening anytime soon, so get over it.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But not driving an SUV will reduce demand, keeping prices low. Or more accurately, not driving millions of SUVs. The point is that there is room for eliminating waste.
    The difference in the MPG of a typical SUV versus some sedan is not enough to make up for the growing demand for oil that is occurring worldwide just from population growth and more countries increasing their standard of living and level of consumption. So, everyone abandoning SUVs would make an insignificant dent in the huge oil demand problem.

    Maybe it would be more effective to stop buying food at the store that is trucked in thousands of miles to get there. And stop using fertilizers and pesticides (oil required). Or stop buying things made of plastic (as if that were possible). And we should stop making asphalt roads, since they are made with oil. The list goes on and on.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    To me this is just our immediete consumption society and live in the moment mentallity.

    Does the oil spill suck? Yes. It is a horrible tragedy? Yes. Is it something that regularly occurs on a every 5 year basis? No.

    The long term benefits of allowing off shore drilling both for our economy and our security far outweigh the negatives from what is essentially a rather isolated occurance. Like someone referenced earlier, if there was not hysterical over reaction and present-only focused people after Chernobyl perhaps we would've taken it for what it was, improved how things ran a bit, and then continued to roll out Nuclear Energy to a point where we'd likely be far better off energy wise. However we panic over a one off odd incident and are unable to see the forest through the trees.

    Ultimately I can't really blame or be surprised by Arnold though. He's being a politician and simply playing off that fact of human nature.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You have really articulated something here that I fully agree with. One thing that really makes me crazy about my fellow liberals is that they really don't get that we face trade-offs. We can't have it all.
    True. But it's not just a liberal thing. Lots of people of all political stripes want low energy prices but big fat SUVs they can drive 100 miles to work each day from their huge, expensive-to-heat and cool houses, for instance.

    Or they want full government services but low taxes.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The long term benefits of allowing off shore drilling both for our economy and our security far outweigh the negatives from what is essentially a rather isolated occurance.
    First of all, the long-term costs of this spill could be enormous. Dont' underestimate them,. It could destroy 1/3rd of our nation's fishing industry for several decades, and majorly hurt tourism, shipping, and even make flooding worse (by destroying wetlands). It remains to be seen though.

    Second, the long-term benefits of offshore drilling are tiny. The amount of oil available simply isn't enough to make a dent in prices. Our demand dwarfs it. We consume 26% of annual world production of oil, but we have 3% of reserves. Even if we find alot more, it's still a tiny part of world reserves.

    Ultimately I can't really blame or be surprised by Arnold though. He's being a politician and simply playing off that fact of human nature.
    My respect for Arnold has grown over the years. When he sees he is wrong, he changes his mind instead of being stubborn and ideological about things.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Not driving an SUV doesn't help. With population growth, there still will be a growing need for oil that effects far more than just driving your vehicle. Prices of everything will go up with an increase of oil prices, since it is used to transport food, make fertilizer, make everything that is plastic, asphalt roads, roofing, tires, etc, etc. Oil touches every industry, every technology, every business, every home, and each and every one of us in one vital way or another, every single day.
    Which is exactly why higher oil prices is the only solution. The solution to all oil related issues is to use less oil. And if it were more expensive we would. Just like Europe does. We don't need to drill. We need to use less oil. The sooner we start the better because eventually we will have no choice.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Is it something that regularly occurs on a every 5 year basis? No.
    List of Major Oilspills compiled by George Draffan

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills]List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Major Oil Spills to Coastal Waters

    Are oil spills something which occur every 5 year? No. They actually occur a lot more regularly than that though they're not always reported. As our consumption of oil has grow, so has the occurrence of oils pills on a global scale. The point is not that they occur every now and then. The point is that they occur and the consequences cost billions of dollars for everyone who uses those waters - in the most dire of cases - to "fix". You have to remember that a single oil spill can ruin the livelihood of thousands of people at a time. Just look at what the Exxon Valdez did.
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    Re: Schwarzenegger withdraws support for offshore drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Which is exactly why higher oil prices is the only solution. The solution to all oil related issues is to use less oil. And if it were more expensive we would. Just like Europe does. We don't need to drill. We need to use less oil. The sooner we start the better because eventually we will have no choice.
    High oil prices increases the cost of everything. The price of oil is already high, drilling more would keep up with the growing demand just due to population growth. Looking toward Europe is not always a good idea; their economic growth is slowed from extremely high taxes...such as their extremely high gas tax.

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