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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Arch, thanks for a GREAT post.
    You're very welcome.

    I actually disagree to a point. I think you have people on both sides doing this at different times for this. I can point to many of the liberals and libertarians at a point a bit after 9/11 telling us how we need to understand why we make these people hate us, very much akin to what some republicans and libertarians were saying about the guy that flew into the IRS building recently as well. However, despite that, I think by and large everyone wrote both up as crazy assholes with no regard for others.
    Im not entirely sure where we got on track of trying to discuss the reactions of Liberals, Libertarians and Republicans, but I believe that for the most part Americans react similarly wherever they are to a terrorist attack on America.


    For a few reasons. One, there is an inherent notion of planning in the very notion of coming over into the country to perpetrate an attack. Itís this assumption of planning, and patience, that generally makes people look at foreign terrorists as more likely being somewhat more professional. Second is the assumption typically that terrorists that are foreign are most likely operating within some kind of network, even loosely, while often times the notion for domestic terrorists is more of a loner. While this plays into your suggestion of assumptions and biases in people, I think itís a bias in part backed up somewhat with history.
    What domestic terrorist was a loner? The unabomber wasn't. Timothy McVeigh, not really. People contribute the Fort Hood tragedy to Islamic Extremism and the American Imam who fled to Yemen. The history is stacked with networks and networks and networks and networks, and I think the term "Lonewolf" doesn't actually work, especially when talking about terrorism.

    I agree with your statements on Al-Qaeda and Terorrism save for the goal. While I agree that completing the attack isnít always required for the goal the preference is always to complete the attack because it significantly increases the affect of said goal.

    I have to disagree with #4. I believe the magnitude of deaths in 9/11 significantly contributed to the impact it had on people.
    Not the magnitude of deaths caused by 9/11, but the immediacy of deaths caused by 9/11. We probably wouldn't have noticed if people started dying 5 at a time every day post 9/11. We react because someone is responsible for these deaths.l
    ~5,000 people die annually from texting while driving and it is one hell of a ride to get any legislation past (or was a ride) to try to fix this problem.
    Had ~5000 people died within 2 hours, instead of one year.. it would be a completely different story.

    I think you made a great post and some really well reasoned arguments. I do think there is a definite stereotyping done in our minds and biases inherent from it on foreign and domestic terrorism. That can be seen in the OP even when the notion that this was sloppy immediately made him think domestic. That said, while I think some of it is likely overblown I think some of it is bred there for legitimate reasons.
    Terrorism and studying, researching, and talking about it is my bread&butter. It is the only reason I got into politics. I started watching CNN in the 7th and 8th grade because of 9/11, because I didn't understand a damn thing.

    I'm still working on that hypothesis btw, just sorta jumped at me.
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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How is this a screwup by the Obama administration?

    If the measure that you are using is ability to carry it out, then you must agree that GWB was the most inept President of all time, since the worst terrorist attack on US Soil occurred on his watch. Correct?
    Because the Obama Admin was clueless about this attack as they were about the Bomber over Detroit and the attack at Fort Hood..............
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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Because the Obama Admin was clueless about this attack as they were about the Bomber over Detroit and the attack at Fort Hood..............
    um, navy....how exactly is the admin responsible for this?

    by your reckoning, bush was responsible for 9-11.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    um, navy....how exactly is the admin responsible for this?

    by your reckoning, bush was responsible for 9-11.
    ...followed by nada until Obama was elected, and now they're lining up.

    Yesterday failed, but it's coming. We're close to getting hit again....multiple times.

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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ...followed by nada until Obama was elected, and now they're lining up.

    Yesterday failed, but it's coming. We're close to getting hit again....multiple times.
    Followed by over 4000 U.S. troops killed, and thousands more maimed.

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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Followed by over 4000 U.S. troops killed, and thousands more maimed.
    ...and we could have saved lots of soldiers after that pesky Pearl Harbor thing, too.

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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ...followed by nada until Obama was elected, and now they're lining up.
    Ummmmm...what?

    Just wanting to check. Are you saying there were no other attempts at terrorism by Islamic Extremism during that time, no successfful ones, what exactly are you saying in that "nada"?

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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    ...and we could have saved lots of soldiers after that pesky Pearl Harbor thing, too.
    Very different scenarios.

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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

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    He tried to win sympathies with the Ecofreaks and built a Green Bomb.
    The cow **** didn't ignite.

    Score one for the Greenies!

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    Re: COPS: Times Square Car Bomber Got the Wrong Fertilizer

    gibbs took FIVE SENTENCES yesterday to answer, yes, what happened in times square saturday nite was indeed an act of terror

    dhs napolitano spent all day sunday EQUIVOCATING on the question, she repeatedly called it a "one off"

    ag holder, who STILL wants to try ksm downtown, says he's got all hands on deck, everything's under control

    this is the group that was so quick to consider mutallab, the jingle bells jihadist, an ISOLATED EXTREMIST

    this is the mindset that judged, "the system worked" in the skies above detroit on christmas

    now that this southpark assassin is caught it is STILL unclear whether he'll be MIRANIDIZED or HIG'd

    this white house is on record a thousand times castigating its predecessor for their tough handling of terror in the earlier years of this century

    under oblivious obama we've already seen one successful attack, hasan, the fort hood hitman

    the administration appears eccentrically eager to continue the WHITEWASH of the pentagon's promotion of hasan which actively ENABLED the butchering of 13 american martyrs in the first place

    under obtuse obama we've gotten incredibly lucky several times

    the alert and courageous acts of individual citizens, airplane passengers, manhattan street vendors, are why and how we have averted disasters

    the admin, at least after mutallab and fort hood, has been nothing but characteristically incompetent

    if not expressive as well of some bizarre agenda

    should a major event occur, given obama's inexplicably ostrich-like approach to islamo-terror, it will be the end of his presidency

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