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Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

Catz Part Deux said:
I don't believe that being gay is a sin, because I don't believe in the concept of sin. However, I do wish that more Christians saw it like you've stated it here. Unfortunately, even on this board, you're probably in the minority.
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But sin simply means to violate what is right.

Those who don't believe in God can also "sin against themselves" as the bible describes someone who knows what is right but makes the wrong choice.

Sin is doing something you know is wrong, if you don't "know" homosexuality is a sin then you can't commit the sin. This is relativist of course, but that is how the bible talks about those who don't abide by biblical morality, and still describes the wrong behavior as "sin".

Unfortunately in the modern world sin is only associated with a religious violation, rather than a moral violation general to all humans.

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SingleCellOrganism said:
I would venture to guess that there are a small number of true homophobes. (scared, for whatever reason, of gay people).
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The definitions that both I and Tex posted agree that fear is not the only thing that can be homophobia. One that Tex posted included "discrimination against homosexuality".
 
Redress said:
So pretty similar definitions to the one I posted.
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Not even close. The actual definition is an irrational or unreasonable fear.

Wiki goes FAR beyond fear.

Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people identified or perceived as being homosexual. Definitions[1][2][3] refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.

Its a classic liberal tactic to expand a definition of a negative word to apply it to anyone who doesn't agree with them and that's exactly what wiki is doing.
 
Redress said:
The definitions that both I and Tex posted agree that fear is not the only thing that can be homophobia. One that Tex posted included "discrimination against homosexuality".
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That is completely false. You need to re-read the definitions again.
 
Redress said:
The definitions that both I and Tex posted agree that fear is not the only thing that can be homophobia. One that Tex posted included "discrimination against homosexuality".
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Yeah, you can find and prove anything with the webz.

The etymology of the word suggests fear, and only fear.
 
texmaster said:
That is completely false. You need to re-read the definitions again.
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Umm... so you didn't post this?

texmaster said:
And now some definitions not from a site where anyone can edit :roll:

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Homophobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

Homophobia | Define Homophobia at Dictionary.com
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:shock:
 
texmaster said:
Not even close. The actual definition is an irrational or unreasonable fear.

Wiki goes FAR beyond fear.

Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people identified or perceived as being homosexual. Definitions[1][2][3] refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.

Its a classic liberal tactic to expand a definition of a negative word to apply it to anyone who doesn't agree with them and that's exactly what wiki is doing.
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I think you need to look up the definition of the word "or".

"or discrimination against "

"or antipathy"
 
Sin...is sin....is sin...is sin. All are bad in God's eyes. Whether it be homosexuality, murder, stealing, coveting, whatever else you can think of. No one is bigger or worse than the other. According to the Bible (whether you agree with it, dont agree with it, dont care, whatever)... it states that homosexuality is an abomination to God. No one is telling anyone they have to believe that, it just is what it is. But all sin is. And it is always hate the sin not the sinner. I think homosexuality is a sin, that is my personal opinion and no one elses. However, having said that, I know quite a few gays and lesbians, some of whom I am friends with some I am not; but either way I dont hate them, I dont talk about them, I dont constantly push the bible in their faces to get them to see the error of their ways...they know where I stand on the issue, I know where they stand; doesnt mean we dont get along great. Doesnt mean that I dont think they are fantastic people. I just dont agree with their lifestyle and choose not to do that for myself. It's really not that difficult a concept to understand.
 
Ikari said:
That cop should be thrown in jail. That's a horrible breaching of the first and I hope the cops get sued because of it. ****ing cops thinking they can do whatever they want because they have a badge.
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Of course you realize that there is no 1st Amendment in England - and this entire thread is some sort of "bogeyman" used to scare up conservatives on here, right?

England has different laws than we do; this wouldn't happen here and to pretend it would is nothing more than conservative paranoia.
 
BamaBrat said:
Sin...is sin....is sin...is sin. All are bad in God's eyes. Whether it be homosexuality, murder, stealing, coveting, whatever else you can think of. No one is bigger or worse than the other. According to the Bible (whether you agree with it, dont agree with it, dont care, whatever)... it states that homosexuality is an abomination to God. No one is telling anyone they have to believe that, it just is what it is. But all sin is. And it is always hate the sin not the sinner. I think homosexuality is a sin, that is my personal opinion and no one elses. However, having said that, I know quite a few gays and lesbians, some of whom I am friends with some I am not; but either way I dont hate them, I dont talk about them, I dont constantly push the bible in their faces to get them to see the error of their ways...they know where I stand on the issue, I know where they stand; doesnt mean we dont get along great. Doesnt mean that I dont think they are fantastic people. I just dont agree with their lifestyle and choose not to do that for myself. It's really not that difficult a concept to understand.
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You "choose" not to be gay? Really?
 
FilmFestGuy said:
You "choose" not to be gay? Really?
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We've had that argument here more than once. There is no conclusive scientific evidence on the origins of homosexuality. Calling it a choice or calling it inborn both amount to speculation.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
You "choose" not to be gay? Really?
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Does it really matter if it's a choice or not? Fact is, we live in a country that values individual liberty and personal choice and there's nothing illegal about being gay here. The matter of choice versus being born with it really is irrelevant.
 
jallman said:
Does it really matter if it's a choice or not? Fact is, we live in a country that values individual liberty and personal choice and there's nothing illegal about being gay here. The matter of choice versus being born with it really is irrelevant.
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I agree with you here. Who cares if it's choice or not. I've just never heard anyone claim to specifically choose "not to be gay" (except those people who go through the Christian de-gaying camps).

Very simply, religion is protected and it's a choice. So I don't see why we need to worry whether it's a choice or not.

The interesting thing to me is this: yes, you can be born into a religion (especially highly inherited religions like Judaism and Catholicism) - but you can choose as an adult to reject your religion or alter it.

So why do we worry about whether homosexuality is a choice? Why do we get so worked up over how people want to take part in romantic relationships?
 
FilmFestGuy said:
You "choose" not to be gay? Really?
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Once again... and this is my opinion only. I believe it is a choice. Yes. I know that some say that people are born that way or a number of other varying opinions on the subject. I think the verdict is still out on that, but either way... In answer to your question, yes, I personally believe that it is a choice.
 
jallman said:
Does it really matter if it's a choice or not? Fact is, we live in a country that values individual liberty and personal choice and there's nothing illegal about being gay here. The matter of choice versus being born with it really is irrelevant.
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Exactly!!!!!!!
 
BamaBrat said:
Once again... and this is my opinion only. I believe it is a choice. Yes. I know that some say that people are born that way or a number of other varying opinions on the subject. I think the verdict is still out on that, but either way... In answer to your question, yes, I personally believe that it is a choice.
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There is some fairly solid evidence that orientation is formed at least as early as 1 year of age. Nothing is proven, but the preponderance of evidence suggests that orientation is set very early in life. This makes the idea of "choice" very unlikely.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
You believe that homosexuals are an abomination in the eyes of God.

True or false?

By the way, your dancing is lovely.
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I answered your question (See post #237) and I believe I was quite clear in my views on the subject. So, let's try not to bait shall we?
 
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SingleCellOrganism said:
I would say homosexuality is a "sin of the flesh" just like being promiscuous, a drunk, an adulterer etc.

Basically as the bible describes it when you give into "the pleasure of the flesh" you become more full of "jealousies, rages, conceit, lies, etc. etc." and society is worse for it.

That doesn't mean anyone should be harassing and condemning gay people, in fact, that is more of a sin IMO than being gay.

Is that really an arguable point? I see it as a "truth" aside from the bible personally, its more psychology than anything.
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And it is why I personally do not condemn homosexuals. If asked, I will share my point of view on the matter as I have done here (post #237), but I don't go around bashing gays and lesbians for living their choosen lifestyle anymore than I'd picket an abortion clinic or a crack house. It's not my place to judge these people. But if asked, I'd certainly try to encourage them to lead better, more productive lives. But no, contrary to what some here may believe of me concerning my religious faith, I don't go around bash gays and lesbians for being who they are.
 
Objective Voice said:
I answered your question (See post #237) and I believe I was quite clear in my views on the subject. So, let's try not to bait shall we?
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It's not baiting to make you strip the sugarcoating off of the fact that you think that homosexuality is an abomination to God.

Just own it.
 
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SingleCellOrganism said:
But sin simply means to violate what is right.

Those who don't believe in God can also "sin against themselves" as the bible describes someone who knows what is right but makes the wrong choice.

Sin is doing something you know is wrong, if you don't "know" homosexuality is a sin then you can't commit the sin. This is relativist of course, but that is how the bible talks about those who don't abide by biblical morality, and still describes the wrong behavior as "sin".

Unfortunately in the modern world sin is only associated with a religious violation, rather than a moral violation general to all humans.

edit: (well, maybe not unfortunate, as there are plenty of other words to demonstrate a wrong choice)
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Dear Single Cell:

YOu don't have to teach me fundamental principles of Christianity. I was a Christian for over 30 years. I know what sin is.

I still don't believe in the concept. Nor do I believe that sex outside of marriage (fornication) or being gay/lesbian is a moral violation.

If you'd like, we can discuss it on the religion board.

Thanks,

Catz
 
BamaBrat said:
Once again... and this is my opinion only. I believe it is a choice. Yes. I know that some say that people are born that way or a number of other varying opinions on the subject. I think the verdict is still out on that, but either way... In answer to your question, yes, I personally believe that it is a choice.
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Holding to bigoted beliefs is also a choice. I think people choose to adopt religious beliefs that reinforce their own prejudices.

God really has nothing to do with it.
 
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