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Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

:doh

Calling someone an abomination for their "sexual sin" falls into the category of hate speech in the UK and several other western nations, including Canada. Fail.

Must you lie so often?

The preacher never once said abomination.

:doh
 
Must you lie so often?

The preacher never once said abomination.

:doh

Do you have a quote of what the preacher said? And the volume at which it was said? Please share. I can't help but feel you are witholding information.

I was referring to the verses provided by Objective Voice which did in fact use the term as justification for why homosexuality is a sin.
 
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Since he does believe it it is being arrested for speaking what he believes.
Whether or not he believes it is irrelevant. It's the speaking that matters here.

But thanks for finally acknowledging that he wasn't arrested for "his beliefs" as you so mistakenly stated previously. :2wave:
 
Don't be so sure. I mentioned this in a different post, but using the Interweb as a sample, and purely anecdotally, I think the current high school generation is incredibly intolerant of other peoples views.

Catz wants to burn the preacher, tongue in cheek, I think the younglings today literally want to burn the preacher.

Being personally intolerant and emboldening the government to criminalize are two different things.
 
Well, it's not insane, per se. A homosexual officer arresting a homophobe for running his mouth may be wrong, but it makes sense.
What makes you think the preacher was afraid of homosexuals?
 
The preacher should have said love the homsexual but hate the sin he commits........
 
What makes you think the preacher was afraid of homosexuals?

The dictionary says it's "a fear or contempt for". He could have had contempt. No one said fear was necessary for the term to apply.
 
I could FEEL your happiness when you bolded "abomination."
Again, I bolded those words merely to illustrate that what the preacher said was Biblically accurate. Had nothing to do with my opinion on gay lifestyle.

I'm not you. I read your post. I just didn't find it all that interesting.

Then you're a religious bigot. For as I've stated time and time again, my point was akin to yours only you stopped at the religious point without giving the legality or merit of the preacher's arrest its due consideration.

You belittle yourself.

Now, how did I do that? By backing up the preacher's words in pointing out Scripture? In debates, it's called "quoting the source". You're just tic'd off because someone was able to show in the Bible where what the preacher said was true. No one has made any assertions that gays and lesbians are going to Hell for being who they are. I and the preacher merely pointed to versus of scripture in the Bible where it clearly states that such act - homosexuality - is a sin against God. Nothing more.

I remain unconvinced by you.
Wasn't trying to convince you of anything except that your religious biasness has blinded you to the truth behind why this man was arrested. Had nothing to do with how he spoke, but rather what he said. Someone heard his commentary concerning homosexuals, didn't like what he heard, took offense to it, and arrested him using a law that really doesn't fit the situation at hand.

Feeling persecuted again?
Nope, but I'm sure the preacher does.
 
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The preacher should have said love the homsexual but hate the sin he commits........

He probably did say that - we don't know. All the article states is that the preacher was having a side conversation with a shopper who perhaps happened to hear his sermon and asked questions concerning (I assume) what constitutes sin per the Bible. He laid it out for her, a gay cop overheard him and arrested him for it under the guiese of a hate speech law. IMO, the cop was wrong, but to some that doesn't seem to matter.
 
Again, I bolded those words merely to illustrate that what the preacher said was Biblically accurate. Had nothing to do with my opinion on gay lifestyle.

B.s. You stated that you agree with it. :roll:

Then you're a religious bigot. For as I've stated time and time again, my point was akin to yours only you stopped at the religious point without giving the legality or merit of the preacher's arrest its due consideration.

I think you should invest in a good dictionary. I believe many Christian beliefs are stupid, and in particular, I think that living your book according to the precepts of a rather barbaric book is stupid. However, I have no problems with you choosing that for yourself as long as your views don't impact my life.

You're just tic'd off because someone was able to show in the Bible where what the preacher said was true.

I already knew that. For the second time, I taught Sunday School in the Southern Baptist Church for close to 15 years. The fact that homosexuality is considered a sin in the bible isn't new to me.

No one has made any assertions that gays and lesbians are going to Hell for being who they are. I and the preacher merely pointed to versus of scripture in the Bible where it clearly states that such act - homosexuality - is a sin against God. Nothing more.

And an abomination. It's the way you treated the word abomination that was incredibly revealing to me.

I know how fundamentalists think and spin.

Wasn't trying to convince you of anything except that your religious biasness has blinded you to the truth behind why this man was arrested. Had nothing to do with how he spoke, but rather what he said.

So? His views are still retarded. I don't care that it says so in the Bible, so using that as "evidence" of anything is simply ridiculous.

I don't care what your invisible friend thinks. Got it?
 
The dictionary says it's "a fear or contempt for". He could have had contempt. No one said fear was necessary for the term to apply.
Ah - a designer defintion.

REAL phobias don't have anything to do with 'contempt for' the object/issue in question.
 
No, a dictionary definition. Get it right next time.
No, no - I was right the first time.

Phobia:
-An irrational or obsessive fear or anxiety, usually of or about something particular
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Phobia

-An anxiety disorder characterized by extreme and irrational fear of simple things or social situations; "phobic disorder is a general term for all ...
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

-A phobia (from the φόβος, phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared subject. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

-An intense fear of something that poses little or no actual danger. Examples of phobias include fear of closed-in places, heights, escalators, tunnels, highway driving, water, flying, dogs, and injuries involving blood.
science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih5/mental/other/glossary.htm

Not seeing where "phobia" also includes "contempt for".
 
Catz,

Sure I did! I agreed that homosexuality is a sin...nothing more. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals anymore than I hate prostitutes, people who consume too much alcohol, drug addicts, child moslesters (okay, those people I do despise), murderers (depending on why they killed, i.e., a soldier wouldn't be considered a murderer in my book unless he went against the rules of engagement), etc.

Don't presume to know my religious convictions just because you've read a few posts by me. I'm a long way from being as you say...a religious "fundamentalist". People who start religious cults are religious fundamentalist (not to mention nuts cases). I'm a long way from being cultish.
 
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No, no - I was right the first time.

Phobia:
-An irrational or obsessive fear or anxiety, usually of or about something particular
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Phobia

No you were not. Funny how you conveniently skip the second definition:

pho·bi·a (fb-)
n.
1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
2. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.

And the definition of phobia on its own has little to do with the separate definition of the word "homophobe" other than sharing a root. That gives an impression of the definition but not the nuance of how it is used in modern language.

So no, you are still verifiably wrong.
 
No, no - I was right the first time.

Phobia:
-An irrational or obsessive fear or anxiety, usually of or about something particular
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Phobia

-An anxiety disorder characterized by extreme and irrational fear of simple things or social situations; "phobic disorder is a general term for all ...
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

-A phobia (from the φόβος, phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared subject. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

-An intense fear of something that poses little or no actual danger. Examples of phobias include fear of closed-in places, heights, escalators, tunnels, highway driving, water, flying, dogs, and injuries involving blood.
science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih5/mental/other/glossary.htm

Not seeing where "phobia" also includes "contempt for".

AskOxford: homophobia

homophobia

• noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals.

Homophobia - Definition and More from Merriam-Webster's Free Medical Dictionary

Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Dear ****ing god. Battle of the damn dictionaries again. :roll:
 
AskOxford: homophobia

homophobia

• noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals.

Homophobia - Definition and More from Merriam-Webster's Free Medical Dictionary

Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Dear ****ing god. Battle of the damn dictionaries again. :roll:

Its because Goobie thinks that he the difference between "fear" and "contempt" is somehow a defense against a charge of homophobia. It's not.

And the fact that he is just plain wrong as usual.
 
No you were not. Funny how you conveniently skip the second definition:
I could have only 'skipped over' that 'second defintion' if said defintion were present in any of the cites I presented. That it was not defeats your point and reinforces mine.

But wait - here's more:
-combining form extreme or irrational fear or dislike of a specified thing:
AskOxford: -phobia

-an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
Phobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

-An unreasonable sort of fear that can cause avoidance and panic. Phobias are a relatively common type of anxiety disorder.
Phobia definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

-A phobia is an intense but unrealistic fear that can interfere with the ability to socialize, work, or go about everyday life, brought on by an object, event or situation.
Phobias - definition of Phobias in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Interesting how none of these defintions include in any way the terms 'dislike' or 'contempt'.

And the definition of phobia on its own has little to do with the separate definition of the word "homophobe" other than sharing a root. That gives an impression of the definition but not the nuance of how it is used in modern language.
As I said - a designer definition, one not actually related ot the root of the word but intended to relate said root to those described by said word.

So no, you are still verifiably wrong.
Not in the slightest.
 
Its because Goobie thinks that he the difference between "fear" and "contempt" is somehow a defense against a charge of homophobia. It's not.
If there's no fear, there's no phobia.
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I could have only 'skipped over' that 'second defintion' if said defintion were present in any of the cites I presented. That it was not defeats your point and reinforces mine.

No, it does not. It simply means your knowledge of language is superficial and your definitions are opportunistic.

Look, I didn't make you be wrong; the dictionary just demonstrates that you are. And living reality backs up and reinforces just how wrong you are.

What do you want me to do about it? You could make it all better by just stopping being wrong but I can't do that for you. :shrug:
 
No, it does not. It simply means your knowledge of language is superficial and your definitions are opportunistic.
Says he who ignores all the defintions - especially those from authoritative sorces - that he doesn't like and latches on to the one - the single one- he does.

Look, I didn't make you be wrong
That's because I am not, as proven.

The dictionary just demonstrates that you are.
You mean the -one- dictionary you cited?
You -did- see the OED and Merriam-Webster cites, right?
The ones that prove you wrong?
Or are you going to argue that the OED and M/W are wrong?
 
Unless there is contempt or strong dislike. Then phobia is right back in play. :doh
Not according to the -actual- defintion of phobia.
:doh
 
Says he who ignores all the defintions - especially those from authoritative sorces -

The American Heritage dictionary is an authoritative source. Also was the very first one I came across.

I didn't make you wrong. You made yourself be wrong. And you keep being committed to being wrong.

That's on you, pal. What do you want me to do? Go through every dictionary in the country and change the definition to one you like or need it to be so you can be right again?

I don't see that happening.
 
AskOxford: homophobia

homophobia

• noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals.

Homophobia - Definition and More from Merriam-Webster's Free Medical Dictionary

Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Dear ****ing god. Battle of the damn dictionaries again. :roll:
As I said -- a designer defition, not related to an -actual- phobia.
 
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