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Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

I think we get it twisted when we combine the right to say whatever you want with the viability of the content of the message or dialog plus the venue inwhich we use to convey that message or exchange dialog.

In other words, was what this preacher said wrong? No.

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them [men] have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Similar wording is found in 1 Corinthines 6 -

9.Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived : neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10.Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

So, what this preacher said according to the word of God is correct.

Was where he said it wrong? According to the article he spoke in a public place which is not against the law.

Did how he say it violate the law? According to the police community support officer, the preacher allegedly "made the remark in a voice loud enough to be overheard by others". What what exactly does that mean? Was it as the preacher said that he had finished giving his surmon when he spoke with a passer-by and perhaps others overheard his quite, but casual conversation? Is that the wrong that was committed?

According to the article, "the Public Order Act, introduced in 1986 to tackle violent rioters and football hooligans, is being used to curb religious free speech." So, is it possible this preacher was being persecuted and this law is being used as a tool to shut him up?
 
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This is in the UK right? I wonder what they do to Islamic clerics that preach death to gays and infidels... Oh wait, they give them special communities that are allowed to regulate and govern some aspects of the law ;) Seriously, this is nothing but enforcing being "politically correct" and anti-Christian through fascism. The UK is simply becoming moronic.
 
Objective Voice said:
I think we get it twisted when we combine the right to say whatever you want with the viability of the content of the message or dialog plus the venue inwhich we use to convey that message or exchange dialog.

In other words, was what this preacher said wrong? No.
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This debate isn't about whether he was wrong. Nobody will ever agree on that.
 
texmaster said:
Dale McAlpine was charged with causing “harassment, alarm or distress” after a homosexual police community support officer (PCSO) overheard him reciting a number of “sins” referred to in the Bible, including blasphemy, drunkenness and same sex relationships.

The 42-year-old Baptist, who has preached Christianity in Wokington, Cumbria for years, said he did not mention homosexuality while delivering a sermon from the top of a stepladder, but admitted telling a passing shopper that he believed it went against the word of God.

Police officers are alleging that he made the remark in a voice loud enough to be overheard by others and have charged him with using abusive or insulting language, contrary to the Public Order Act.

Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin - Telegraph


Wow. Welcome to politically correct fascism, can I take your order?
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The UK, of course, does not have a first Amendment, which protects just about ALL speech, even for douche bags like this guy. Even the Fred Phelpses of this world can spew all the hate they want to. It's great being an American.
 
samsmart said:
I can't believe President Obama would allow such a thing! Then again, what else do you expect from a Muslim?
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I can't believe a hyperpartisan would post something like this without reading the context of the OP.

Oh wait. Yeah I can.
 
:rofl Yeah, I sound like a tool.
I guess my angst towards religion is really coming out, eh? I can't hide it or disguise it - it's there.
 
Cardinal said:
Technically the officer was in the wrong, but my sympathy for the preacher = zero. For years the religious right has repeatedly acted to deny gays equal rights, so when the law is used against a preacher for acting like the dickwad he's grown so comfortable being in this nation, I admit I get a small chuckle out of it.
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That's so cliche'.
 
Objective Voice said:
So, what this preacher said according to the word of God is correct.
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The problem is that the word of gourd was made up a few thousand years ago by roaming sheep herders. So, people who use it to justify their deep-seated aversion to gays/lesbians, and think others should take it seriously as well, look rather ridiculous.

No offense, but I don't need men who died 3,000 years ago to tell me what foods to eat, what clothing fibers to wear, and who to sleep with or how to raise my kids. But if you do, well, it takes all kinds.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them [men] have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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So you follow everything in Leviticus?
 
Fascism is here again, lalalallala lalala

Oh well, I won't complain until the death camps aimed at Christians start up, which I would estimate are about 20 years away.

The "Digg" userbase is growing up, and their views are now mainstream and usually consist of violence and repression of those they disagree with. Scary stuff.

Say what you will about Christians, non-Christians scare me more, simply for the fact that "nothing matters" and "the ends justify the means" type of rationale.
 
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misterman said:
So you follow everything in Leviticus?
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Catz Part Deux said:
Only the parts he agrees with. I bet he's wearing a cotton polyester blend right now. Anathema!!!!
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Here we go again...quote Scripture and suddenly people start pursecuting...

No, I don't believe everything I read in Scripture because some of it no longer applies to modern day man, but my point wasn't whether or not what the preacher said was wrong or whether or not you read the Bible or believe everything in it. My point was a much broader search for the truth as it applies to why the preacher was arrested.

Reading the article, it's obvious the man was being persecuted for merely speaking out. I doubt if the volume of his speech was as impactful as what he said. Nonetheless, I'm sure neither the venue he spoke from nor the tenor of his voice got him in as much trouble with the law as did the message he was trying to convey.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Here we go again...quote Scripture and suddenly people start pursecuting....
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YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PERSECUTED. You've had your say, and others have had theirs. That's called free speech.

Here is what persecution looks like:

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Try to choke back your tears of suffering now, and carry on.
 
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Cardinal said:
I mean that because there was a direct correlation between the jerk running his mouth and the officer arresting him, it doesn't technically qualify as insanity.
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He was having a conversation with a woman about religion, which she willingly engaged in with him. You have an odd notion about what constitutes "jerk running his mouth".


People often quote parts of the bible that conveniently reflect their own views. I've met plenty of religious people who don't see anything at all in the bible about homosexuality being a sin. But if you want to see it then for sure you're gonna find it.
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Sigh. Do we really have to go over this again? There's a thread on DP where The Baron and I both covered numerous verses of scripture defining homosexuality as a sin, even parsing the original Greek in the NT.

You can like it or not like it, accept it or ignore it, but it is in there: Biblically, homosexual activity is a sin. Period.






You say that like there is a rational fear of gays. What if that means that the fear itself is irrational?
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I meant what I said. Phobias refer to irrational fears, or understandable fears taken to irrational lengths. Homophobia is a much-misused term, used to tar anyone who has the slightest reservations about any gay agenda item.

Believing that the Bible classifies homosexuality as a sin has nothing to do with homophobia, it has to do with being a Bible-believing Christian. There is no reason that fear has to enter into it.



Yes...it does. Conveniently dressing something up as an affront to God instead of to one's self is lazy, immature and unconvincing.
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No sir. The Bible is quite clear on the matter, that homosexual activity, among other things, is a sin in God's sight. I didn't write the Book, take it up with the Author.
NT:
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9
2 Peter 2:2-6
Jude 1:7-8
 
SingleCellOrganism said:
Say what you will about Christians, non-Christians scare me more, simply for the fact that "nothing matters" and "the ends justify the means" type of rationale.
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Yeah, cause "nothing matters" to non-christians. We just live in a bubble devoid of emotion, empathy, or compassion. I can't even believe that any of us actually muster up the will to get out of bed in the morning. :roll:
 
See! Now, there U go again prejudging.

I'm on the preacher's side. And if you had bothered to read my post on the matter you'd know that. And who said that in order for one to be persecuted they had to be put to death in the process? Slaves were also persecuted, and whipped, nad their civil rights violated, but many lived to tell about it including those who were beaten.

My point concerning the preacher is simply this: His voice was silenced not because he broke the law, but because of the content of the message he spoke of.

Now, if you want to agrue free speech, you should be siding w/the preacher not with the local authority who arrested him on a BS public noise ordinance charge that was more in affect to reel in rowdy crowds at local high school football games than for people of God trying to preach their message on peace, love and harmony in a public venue where apparently they had a right to speak under the law.
 
SingleCellOrganism said:
Say what you will about Christians, non-Christians scare me more, simply for the fact that "nothing matters" and "the ends justify the means" type of rationale.
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When you say non-Christians I hope you really mean non-religious people, because you know there are other religions. And even then not all non-Christians have the "end justify the means" rationale. Just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean they don't have morals.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The problem is that the word of gourd was made up a few thousand years ago by roaming sheep herders. So, people who use it to justify their deep-seated aversion to gays/lesbians, and think others should take it seriously as well, look rather ridiculous.

No offense, but I don't need men who died 3,000 years ago to tell me what foods to eat, what clothing fibers to wear, and who to sleep with or how to raise my kids. But if you do, well, it takes all kinds.
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It is perfectly fine that you dont believe it. That is not the point. The point is that the man had a right to say what he thinks. Lots of people say stuff every day that I dont agree with and think are hateful, but they still have the right to say it. Just as I have the right not to believe it.
 
misterman said:
This debate isn't about whether he was wrong. Nobody will ever agree on that.
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Then you (as well as Catz) need to read the rest of my post instead of stopping right at the portion where I quote Scripture because whether the preacher was right or wrong wasn't my point either, nor was it whether or not what he said was right or wrong no matter one's beliefs.

My point was the man exercised his free speech rights and got persecuted for it merely because somebody didn't like what he had to say. (Interestingly enough, sounds very familiar...kinda like what alot of people do in here when they don't agree with something someone else says that goes against their views. :2wave: )
 
Objective Voice said:
Then you (as well as Catz) need to read the rest of my post instead of stopping right at the portion where I quote Scripture because whether the preacher was right or wrong wasn't my point either, nor was it whether or not what he said was right or wrong no matter one's beliefs.

My point was the man exercised his free speech rights and got persecuted for it merely because somebody didn't like what he had to say. (Interestingly enough, sounds very familiar...kinda like what alot of people do in here when they don't agree with something someone else says that goes against their views. :2wave: )
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If it wasn't your point...why did you feel the need to comment that the "preacher was right" in his interpretation of the biblical scripture.

You post that....and then complain that people take you to task for posting it.
I agree with you on the second point, however, think you are dead wrong in your first statement.
 
NO...what Objective Voice said was... "So, what this preacher said according to the word of God is correct." Meaning that he was quoting directly from the Bible. NOT, whether you agree with it being right or wrong.
 
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